to listen to Jamie Oliver on Radio 4 and want to throw things...........

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catinabox Mon 02-Sep-13 10:06:40

He's not really doing himself any favours is he?

grumpyoldbat Fri 06-Sep-13 08:11:14

pimpf there's also a difference between actually tackling that problem and what Jamie is doing. I've explained it more than once.

catinabox Fri 06-Sep-13 08:15:40

I''d love to see a TV documentary where JO goes to a foodbank and sees if he can knock up a weeks worth of food with exactly what he gets AND with two quid left on the electric.

I'd like to see him have cooking lessons from people who don't have the resources to buy beef brisket. I'd like him to spend a week in JaCK Monroe's life.

THAT I would respect.

One group of people that really struggle with food poverty are people leaving foster care and children's homes. Perhaps JO could spend a week with them and find out how they manage to eat when many have had no tangible support to learn basic cooking on a budget, have no mum and dad to go home to for sunday lunch and a bit of extra shopping out the fridge.

How on earth JO can believe he knows anything about cooking on a budget is beyond me. It's actually laughable.

My favourite staple budget recipes are this.

Cheap pasta.
tin tomatoes
onion

Baked Beans
Jacket potato (not a 'big' baker, just standard spud, two if small.
(Microwave only as it is too expensive to oven cook the spud)

With cheese and black pepper,garlic it is food of the gods!.

I would challenge him to get out there and see what it's really like....

Pimpf Fri 06-Sep-13 08:22:38

As I've said all I can go on is what I've heard him saying and I've not heard him talk about shampoo or other necessities. I've heard him taking about the so called poor who obviously have the funds but choose to spend it on crap food.

You are not scum and I don't believe he means you In What he has said

catinabox Fri 06-Sep-13 08:23:57

His way might be a bit cackhanded but you can't have a go at him for wanting to try

Yes you can pimf He has a huge platform and has a responsibility to inform himself. If he really wanted to try he would be doing some of the things i have suggested above instead of assuming he knows best.

By doing what he's done and making the comments he has, he has made it o.k for others , (as we have seen on this thread) to jump on the bandwagon and make similar discriminatory comments and judgements. It's not o.k.

Pimpf Fri 06-Sep-13 08:26:41

Have to do get off mn for a while now but will come back to this.

Cat yes that would be interesting but I still don't think that that is the kind of family he was referring to. But I will have another read/ listen to what he said to make sure I'm not missing something.

catinabox Fri 06-Sep-13 08:34:08

Cat yes that would be interesting but I still don't think that that is the kind of family he was referring to

But that's just it Pimpf does he even know who he's referring to, does anyone? Does it matter? Anyone on benefits with a iphone/ TV who has struggled to budget for food and been to the chippy a few times is going to feel like absolute shite. It's not fair.

I'm being a bit flippant but that is the bottom line for me.

grumpyoldbat Fri 06-Sep-13 08:35:34

People like JO spout rhetoric that make it clear they regard people like scum. I've been called scum often enough to know that I am. You're right he didn't specifically mention shampoo but him and the supportive comments that came after went on and on about spending on non-food, looking down on us doing so that is how I now feel guilty for spending money on hygiene products.

sillyoldfool Fri 06-Sep-13 08:55:17

I don't understand why JO has to make it about 'poor' people, or people that claim they are. There are just as many middle income and rich people who can't cook and feed their children rubbish. Why is it ok for someone to plead time poverty as an excuse without having their daily routine picked apart, but it's ok to pick apart someone who claims financial poverty's finances?
I feel very strongly that you have to trust that people are doing their best with what they have. If they are struggling then they need unpatronising, non-judgemental help.

Silverfoxballs Fri 06-Sep-13 09:27:16

Boffinmum I have read Polly Toynbees book and she freely admitted all the time she was living in her grim flat on NMW she always knew that she would go back to her comfortable life. How soul destroying to live in such poverty for years with no end in sight.

Another issue is ill health making shopping and cooking hard. I'm currently ill and have the odd day flat on my back. I have gone from cooking an hour a day to someone that now shoves oven chips in when especially unwell. DH is working away at the moment and DS can cook but there is no way I am having a 12 year old lad cooking every day. I had far too much responsibility at his age and it robbed me of my childhood.

I remember crying when I managed to make a chicken casserole as I had been laid up for two months at that point.

I lived in abject poverty as a child with one parent that was an alcoholic, I managed to get out of poverty. It is such a complex issue and I absolutely hate all this demonising of people in poverty at the moment.

southeastdweller Fri 06-Sep-13 10:01:24

pimp You may be interested to read the full Radio Times article with Jamie that started all this:

www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-09-02/jamie-oliver-and-martin-lewis-on-eating-well-and-spending-less---video

mignonette Fri 06-Sep-13 10:23:11

Still get the rage at JO's supermarket bashing and of the people using them when -

1) He made millions by endorsing Sainsbury's;
2) He makes millions by selling his own range of pre packaged high salt/sugar foods in supermarkets
3) He slags off people using pre packaged supermarket food.

Hypocritical, nasty idiot.

ubik Fri 06-Sep-13 11:01:33

There's also psychological research into the 'cognitive load' of poverty - that day-to-day living takes up so many cognitive processes - imagine coping with stress, anxiety, depression as well as battling through the Kafkaesque benefits system - that is very hard to start thinking about ways to escape the hole you find yourself in. I should think that weighing up the cost of balsamic vinegar is probably one of the things which is too much to think about...

"Put another way, the condition of poverty imposed a mental burden akin to losing 13 IQ points, or comparable to the cognitive difference that’s been observed between chronic alcoholics and normal adults."

here

grumpyoldbat Fri 06-Sep-13 11:10:04

That's just it silver it's the not knowing when or even if it's ever going to end. Even if you're lucky enough to start to scramble back up again there's constant of it all going horribly wrong and you'll have to start at the bottom all over again.

BoffinMum Fri 06-Sep-13 13:13:48

I hadn't read the article previously. That is one deluded sleb in that Radio Times article. Shoulder of pork/Brisket of beef cooked long and slow?? Freeze offcuts of cheese? Freeze fresh herbs? What planet is he on? And food comes well after childcare and fuel/commuting costs for about half the working population, I imagine. FFS.

BelleEtLaBaby Fri 06-Sep-13 15:37:24

He's just clueless, isn't he. I thought that about the herbs - top money saving tip is 4-hour cooked pork and freezing 'leftover' fresh herbs? And yes: mortgage, childcare for those of us who are not millionaires and can't afford one parent to bring up our children at home, other bills and then food. I spend about £200 a month on food and three times that on childcare. When I go back to work after this pregnancy I will work full time with two in childcare and bring home about £150 a month as a result of mad childcare costs. And I'm a teacher so I don't make NMW and I am damn sure freezing a bit of cheese won't dent that much. Who throws away edible cheese ends anyway? He's an idiot and the more I read the less I like him.

BelleEtLaBaby Fri 06-Sep-13 15:39:13

I've just read that back and realised it sounded like a jab at sahm's - it absolutely wasn't, in any way. I am referring to Jamie specifically who is a millionaire and whose wife doesn't work. I just wanted to make that clear as it sounds a bit general and I didn't mean it to.

grumpyoldbat Fri 06-Sep-13 15:53:51

I read it as a meal plan that suits a SAHp wouldn't necessarily suit a household without a SAHP, not an attack smile

Darkesteyes Fri 06-Sep-13 16:27:11

southeastdwellerFri 06-Sep-13 07:26:47

I get what pimp and Retro are saying. There are people struggling and who have food cupboards and fridges yet it's beyond them to keep STAPLES in there and prefer to feed their kids crap, and then there's people who do prefer to spend money on gadgets rather than give their kids good food. I think people have the brains to realise that there's other people who're in poverty for whom those CHOICES are luxuries


You are having a go at both groups of people here You are saying that neither group is "deserving" (note inverted commas. ) Then in the next breath you are saying that the public are more compassionate but your earlier paragraph demonstrates the complete opposite And the really worrying thing is you just cant see it.
South your post here has to be the most contradictory post ive seen on mumsnet.

BoffinMum Fri 06-Sep-13 16:30:16

My only view of his wife was when they were on some hagiography of a TV programme filming them all at home and she was crying in a rather fake way (I thought) for the benefit of the cameras about something, garnering a sympathy vote. Reminded me of the Geri Halliwell hagiography where they lovingly filmed the Barbie house her estranged dad had bought her, after filming her reading a handwritten letter from Prince Charles. I think that sort of thing is ridiculously gushing and slebby.

Darkesteyes Fri 06-Sep-13 16:33:50

catinabox your post about foster care has reminded me of Jenni Fagan There is also an interview with her in this months Marie Claire.

www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/books/jenni-fagan-on-life-in-care-and-her-new-novel-1-2896052

mignonette Fri 06-Sep-13 16:35:30

Yes it is beyond me, this public appetite for relatives of the famous to be known to us also. Why oh why?

grumpyoldbat Fri 06-Sep-13 16:38:53

I don't think it's fair to attack his wife. Unless she starts publicly slagging people off and therefore being guilty herself she shouldn't be attacked for her husband's nastiness.

mignonette Fri 06-Sep-13 16:44:01

I'm not attacking her, more our ridiculous society whereby the spouses/children of the famous are seen as of any interest.

But Jools has kind of invited some scrutiny because I doubt that book deal or Mothercare clothing deal would have existed without her famous husband. Just saying.

Darkesteyes Fri 06-Sep-13 16:44:10

Agree grumpy.

Darkesteyes Fri 06-Sep-13 16:45:36

mignon its all part of the same celebrity culture which is a distraction from the real issues. Its a sort of propaganda all on its own.

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