To ignore neighbour's letter through my door....

(58 Posts)
HarryandLouLou Wed 07-Aug-13 12:34:19

.....that asks all local residents to object to minor travellers site planning application?

I know gypsies and travellers often get bad press, but I had a look at the planning application on the council website and it's for 2 caravans, 1 static and 1 to be lived in. Whoever applied must own the land as its a request for the land to be used as a place of residence.

The neighbour (who I'm not sure of their identity) is claiming that should this proceed it will "blight our homes and reduce sale prices" etc etc.

From a birds eye view, our street and cul de sac will be their nearest neighbours, but there is no access between the site and our homes.

Aibu or naive?

nennypops Wed 07-Aug-13 12:36:23

YANBU. Live and let live, I say. The application wouldn't be refused on the grounds your neighbour suggests anyway.

Nagoo Wed 07-Aug-13 12:36:50

Ignore. Wait until you are in my situation, I get letters from MPs responding to my objections to planning applications for travellers sites in my Dad's village hmm

eurochick Wed 07-Aug-13 12:37:17

Ignore it if you want to, but I do think you are being a little naive. There was a site near where we used to live. When the travellers moved on, the site was a mess - full of rubbish, builders rubble and all sorts. I'm afraid that based on that experience I would get a bit NIMBY about this.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Wed 07-Aug-13 12:37:40

YANBU neighbour sounds hysterical.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Wed 07-Aug-13 12:38:57

I would ignore any letter from someone who wasn't prepared to sign it tbh.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Wed 07-Aug-13 12:39:05

Euro you can't tar an entire community with one brush. In our village we've long had travellers in and out...they slot in well....some of them send their DC to the school and some don't. They go to the local pub and support local charities just like permanent residents. They come...go and come back again.

Reality Wed 07-Aug-13 12:39:27

I would be concerned, because in my experience two caravans will actually be more like fifteen.

We used to live in a street that backed on to a fairground yard, and when they were in residence they weren't the nicest of neighbours to have. The actual 'Name of Fair' family were lovely, their kids went to school with us for a few months out of the year and we knew them pretty well, but the community of travellers that came with them were antisocial, loud, messy and on occasion violent. And the fuckers used to steal milk off doorsteps and washing off lines.

WorraLiberty Wed 07-Aug-13 12:40:19

2 caravans wont blight your homes

If it grows over time then yes, it probably will.

I'd just ignore it.

SirChenjin Wed 07-Aug-13 12:44:18

I would object - but then I wouldn't want to look out onto 2 static homes, regardless of who lived in them. Our local council turned down a planning app for something similar recently fortunately.

HarryandLouLou Wed 07-Aug-13 12:47:06

I always assumed the land in this area belongs to the local farms. Our road has no direct access, and is at least a 5 minute drive away.

The letter is somewhat hysterical and alarming. There is no clue to whom it is from.

HarryandLouLou Wed 07-Aug-13 12:49:03

None of the houses overlook this area, as the ground is higher and has mature trees, a cycle path and main road between them.

LazyFaire Wed 07-Aug-13 12:53:21

I would probably send in a support letter to counter it. I really dislike they way some people get on their high horse about travellers.

If as you say it actually has no bearing on your street, they can't even see it, they are unlikely to get anywhere with the objection and are basically just being racist.

Live and let live.

It isn't the issue about them being travelers, but another two (more if the static is temporary housing) families living in the available space, with the additional parking of cars etc, that would be the issue for me.

It depends on how close the plot of land is, they do traditionally have dogs, so there is a potential for the noise levels to rise.

Many on MN would object to their next door neighbors building a house in their back garden, or parking a motor home/caravan on the front drive, for the same reasons.

quesadilla Wed 07-Aug-13 12:54:18

Based on what they have specified in the application I wouldn't care. I grant there is a risk of "mission creep" where travellers are concerned and you could end up with 10 or more but then you may not.

Do you know what "travellers" actually means in this context? In my experience it can encompass everything from actual gypsies to Irish travellers to New Age crusties to deep ecology types. All of which are likely to come with different philosophies and lifestyles.

My personal approach is live and let live. Until someone proves themself to be an antisocial menace I work on the basis that they are not. I don't believe you can go through life objecting to a group of people based on what type of dwelling they choose.

But maybe I am naive.

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somewhereaclockisticking Wed 07-Aug-13 12:55:42

If you don't mind then don't object. If you think that there is a possibility it will grow to more than 2 caravans and that this might cause you a problem - then object. I wouldn't even think about the neighbour's wishes but at least they have brought it to your attention and you can now make your choice.

SirChenjin Wed 07-Aug-13 12:55:51

Depends if you believe there will only ever be 2 statics, or if you think the site might grow or if they might have visitors in their caravans throughout the year. If the land belongs to the farmer then you need to be clear that he/she is not planning to extend the planning app at some stage (or maybe not, if it doesn't really bother you)

angelos02 Wed 07-Aug-13 12:57:50

You are very naïve OP.

gollygosh123 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:01:01

Lol lets see what you say in a year or so.

When you experience the reality of living near traveller sites, you'll learn.

Tailtwister Wed 07-Aug-13 13:03:21

I would look into the details very carefully. I don't know if the approval for 2 caravans initially would make it easier to get approval for a much bigger site? It seems strange to me that the application is so small and I would be concerned it was being done to create a 'gateway' for a much larger application.

Planning seems to be a very complicated area and I would always look into an application very carefully if it was going to affect my property, no matter if it were for travellers of not. Just because there's no access between the site and your home now doesn't mean one couldn't be created. The fact is that a large site probably would adversely affect the value of your property.

gollygosh123 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:03:42

And if you think that just because planning is for two then it will only be two, you are extremely naive and i say this as a traveller

stickingattwo Wed 07-Aug-13 13:04:09

I would ignore it - people get so hysterical over travellers.

rockybalboa Wed 07-Aug-13 13:06:47

I'd probably share your neighbours concerns tbh but there's no need to get your knickers in a twist about the letter. No-one can force you to object and if you don't want to then don't. It's a bit like posting saying "AIBU to ignore the pizza leaflet which came through my door and not order a pizza".

conantg Wed 07-Aug-13 13:06:56

Without commenting on the behaviour, good or bad, of the travelling community, I would bet a large sum on the two homes becoming ten or twenty within a year or two. Local authorities do not resist such expansions as it takes the onus off the authority to provide a site.

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