To call bollocks on this woman on bbc news...

(85 Posts)
MadBannersAndCopPorn Wed 26-Jun-13 07:28:05

Being breast fed determines social class........ Okay

AuntieStella Wed 26-Jun-13 08:49:33

I half heard this - she seemed to be saying that breast-fed babies were more likely that bottle-fed ones to end up in a higher social class than their parents, so it was (a generation ago) associated with upwards social mobility.

The BBC didn't seem to give airtime to the detail of the study, and how it allowed for known confounders (such as mother's educational level) nor whether the reported effect applied to all social classes.

Can anyone link the study itself, so we can see if that was done?

For at the moment, I don't know whether it's poor quality reporting or the study itself that makes it seem somewhat lacking.

MadBannersAndCopPorn Wed 26-Jun-13 08:52:22

Well the professor (sp) didn't say anything about it helping people climb the social ladder, so... Bollocks

LuisSuarezTeeth Wed 26-Jun-13 08:54:12

Robert wins ton just waffled about rodents and aggression and skin contact. Do ff babies have no skin contact then??

kim147 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:56:53

Haven't watched the clip, but they are probably talking about this study that came out yesterday.

Didactylos Wed 26-Jun-13 08:58:00

Grrr

Correlation is not causation
Correlation is not causation....
Con brio

kim147 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:58:01

Pressed too soon.

I think they compared the father's social class to the childrens. Because that's what's important confused

X posts with Kim.

Cravingdairy Wed 26-Jun-13 09:01:40

Have you all read the report then?

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 09:03:41

Of the three women interviewed, the longest any had fed their child was 5 1/2 months. Fab achievement for her, but there are many many many people who go longer, so how does that represent both ends of the spectrum?!

Lilymaid Wed 26-Jun-13 09:07:46

You should be able to read the whole journal article by clicking on the link to the right . Next week there'll probably be some other research stating the opposite or something completely different.

Dawndonna Wed 26-Jun-13 09:10:28

Tis indeed bollocks.
Both my boys were breastfed. I had two operations on one breast, so by the time twins came along, I couldn't breastfeed.
Bollocks, indeed.

Cherrypi Wed 26-Jun-13 09:11:35

That irritated me too purple. It was dreadfully covered they need not have bothered. Why aren't they cove

Cherrypi Wed 26-Jun-13 09:12:31

Covering the Texas abortion story more instead of Judy Murray not dyeing her hair grrr.

soverylucky Wed 26-Jun-13 09:12:59

Bollockarama! I bet prince William was ff.

TheOneAndOnlyAllan Wed 26-Jun-13 09:17:13

If it's chances of moving upwards soverylucky then where exactly do you think William could go? grin

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 26-Jun-13 09:19:34

When I lived in the Highlands, I went to a toddler group where all the mums were pregnant and we all bf'd our babies. Seemed normal. I guess a lot of the mums were middle class hippies who had moved up from England.

I moved to a council estate in suburbs of Glasgow and was the only mum to bf at the toddler group. The other mums looked at me funny and wouldn't talk to me. I think it was because I was foreign, but the bf ing didn't help.

The article does seem to show some causation rather than just a correlation. The causation is supposed to be between changes in social class for people born in 1958 and 1970 (at which point, your father's or hunsband's occupation was generally used to determine your social class). The study shows that breastfed people in these cohorts were more likely to be upwardly mobile and less likely to be downward key mobile than those who were not breastfed.

However, it might not actually be relevant to contemporary formula feeding because (a) at that time people used all manner of milk (evaporated, cows, formula) to bottle feed and (b) formula has changed a great deal in the last 50 years. Indeed, research shows the difference in 'risk' to children fed with contemporary formula and those who are breastfed is utterly insignificant in comparison to the risks posed by feeding infants anything else (e.g. evaporated milk and cow's milk). So I'm not sure the result can in any way be transferred to contemporary women's choices.

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 26-Jun-13 09:23:24

Anyway, as for correlation :

I think peer pressure is a big factor in bf or not. Those working class mums who bf are probably less likely to go along with the norms of their peers, which may be a way of saying they're aspirational. So, there could be resultant social climbing.

There have also been big changes in society so the chances of social mobility for babies today are completely different than they were for those born in the 1950s and 1970s. I really don't see how this study could say anything about formula feeding or the life chances of babies in 2013.

mrsjay Wed 26-Jun-13 09:25:49

Being breast fed determines social class.....

oh jeezus class starting at the boob <rolls eyes>

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 26-Jun-13 09:26:50

I think there can be actual hostility towards those who come across as aspirational. Both from their peers who think they're putting on airs and from the class above who resent the encroachment.

And parenting choices are probably where we are most vulnerable to criticism.

needaholidaynow Wed 26-Jun-13 09:29:39

My 2 weren't breast fed. That means they'll scrounge off the poor ickle tax payer live off benefits forever.

mrsjay Wed 26-Jun-13 09:31:13

yes my degree studying non bf dd is going to be a scurge on society grin

hackmum Wed 26-Jun-13 09:36:23

This is from the Independent report:

"The analysis of more than 34,000 people born in the 1950s and 1970s found that those who had been breastfed as a baby were 24 per cent more likely to be upwardly mobile – and 20 per cent less likely to drop down the social ladder."

...

"Two groups of people – born in 1958 and in 1970 – were categorised by the job their father did when they were 10 or 11, and the job they themselves had when they were 33 or 34."

So, two possible explanations: either breastfeeding has a measurable effect on things like intelligence (assuming upward mobility is the result of greater intelligence), or women who choose to breastfeed are more likely to do other things to support their children, such as read to them, help with homework, make sure they have proper bedtimes, all those kinds of things.

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