Jeremy Forrest verdict - aibu to be confused?

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noddyboulder Thu 20-Jun-13 14:54:45

Yep, I don't think even his own parents could deny he's a massive, hideous scumbag with no impulse control - but how can he have been found guilty of abduction when the girl he had an affair with said it was her idea to go to France and she went willingly?

Can somebody legal shed some light?

BeauNidle Thu 20-Jun-13 16:07:20

The main thing is, that we all hope he get's a decent sentence, and more importantly the young girl gets immediate counselling and help over the next few months. This is not going to be easy for a child who is clearly already damaged, with her self harm and suicidal ideation. A tricky road ahead I think for her.

RikeBider Thu 20-Jun-13 16:09:33

There also isn't an "abuse of trust" type law in France so I think they weren't able to charge him for the sex with a minor. Child abduction is I guess the only thing they could secure a conviction on.

Catlike Thu 20-Jun-13 16:13:15

I believe that he could only be tried for the offences upon which he was extradited, so as the age of consent is 15 in France, they couldn't bring charges against him for sex with a minor.

Hmm no wonder they said that the relationship only became sexual after her 15th birthday hmm

Catlike Thu 20-Jun-13 16:14:36

more importantly the young girl gets immediate counselling and help over the next few months. This is not going to be easy for a child who is clearly already damaged, with her self harm and suicidal ideation. A tricky road ahead I think for her.

Yes and he is really not helping by maintaining his hold over her with that "I love you" shit. If he had any decency he'd let her move on with her life.

LIZS Thu 20-Jun-13 16:16:44

There also isn't an "abuse of trust" type law in France so I think they weren't able to charge him for the sex with a minor He wouldn't have been classed as in a position of trust . He wasn't then her teacher on a school trip , for example hmm. Horrible to perpetuate her romantic fantasies even now.

BeauNidle Thu 20-Jun-13 16:18:34
AmberSocks Thu 20-Jun-13 16:18:39

Have to say people shouldnt really throw the word rape around too freely,by law its actually not rape unless the person is under 13,then it is unlawful sex with a minor.

Obviously not much better but still!

paperlantern Thu 20-Jun-13 16:19:08

He doesn't have any decency, if he had he wouldn't have done it in the first place

AmberSocks Thu 20-Jun-13 16:20:40

the thing is there are lots of people who i have met in real life where the girl was 15/16 and the man was older (like 20s/30s)and they are still together,to me its bad because of his position as a teacher,not really becase of the age thing.My own mum and dad were 15 and 25 when they met and started seeing each other.

Remotecontrolduck Thu 20-Jun-13 16:25:31

It's the teacher thing that bothers me too, not necessarily a big age gap. Though as she was only 14 when it started that's grim too.

Ultimately, she was his pupil, he shouldn't have gone there. Even if he was having a really bad time.

RikeBider Thu 20-Jun-13 16:27:57

I'm not sure that length of relationship is an indicator of whether it is healthy or there isn't an abuse of power.

paperlantern Thu 20-Jun-13 16:28:41

ambersocks If that unfortunate position happens. You wait. If it's real it will still be there in 2 years +.

You do not persuade the child to have sex in cars and hotels rooms. You do not have an affair. You do not abandon your wife. You do not use your wife's passport to take a child away from their home. You do not persuade the child it is their fault

Cravey Thu 20-Jun-13 16:30:13

I am also confused that people are confused. She was / is a child. Therefore he has broken the law. It doesn't matter that she was willing and able. He as the adult should know that it was illegal etc.

FeegleFion Thu 20-Jun-13 16:30:38

As an addition to what Paper just said.

You do not victim blame.

FCEK Thu 20-Jun-13 16:31:24

Her parents must be going through absolute hell. Especially as he's still manipulating her by saying he loves her as he is sentenced. I hope he is jailed for as long as possible to give her time to move on, get support and realise what a vile scumbag he really is.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Thu 20-Jun-13 16:32:27

I think the people that need to consent to taking a minor out of the country are the minor's parents. The fact the girl agreed to go is irrelevant to the commission of the crime. The parents clearly did not consent.

Catlike Thu 20-Jun-13 16:43:00

He wouldn't have been classed as in a position of trust . He wasn't then her teacher on a school trip , for example

Oh god, it really does sound very calculated in that case sad
I remember in the trial coverage, it said he'd researched online how long he'd be in jail if he were convicted of having sex with a minor.

It does seem like he had a calculated plan rather than just tagged along with this headstrong, suicidal girl because he was worried about her. Horrid.

paperlantern Thu 20-Jun-13 17:01:16

Yes what he did, the timing of what he did and the way he did it really is very calculated.

Coupled with the fact that this isn't the first teenage pupil he sent birthday cards and friendly text messages too. That too felt very calculated, I wonder if she wasn't the first one he targetted she was just the first one that took the bait.

paperlantern Thu 20-Jun-13 17:02:23

female teenage pupil - no reports of him having sent Birthday cards to the boys hmm

Talkinpeace Thu 20-Jun-13 17:05:57

and note that he did not give evidence : implies it would not have helped his case.

She was a child. She could be 15 or 5 : she was a child.

soverylucky Thu 20-Jun-13 17:30:03

Utterly depressing that some people can't see the harm here. There is a horrible attitude in this country that girls are fair game if they come on to you regardless of their age or emotional state.
It was reported that this actually all started when she was 14 - with sex following shortly after her 15th birthday. The law is there to protect children.

As a teacher I can now see it becoming even harder for us to do our job - more checks, fear and mistrust from either side should you end up alone with a pupil in the classroom, having your motives questioned when you show concern for a pupil etc - all because of this idiot who has behaved in a terrible, terrible way. I am so cross that a fellow teacher has let so many people down.

FeegleFion Thu 20-Jun-13 17:56:10

Can I just respond to you, sovery

As a mother of a 14 year old DD, my trust in my daughter's male teachers and, specifically, her form tutor has not wavered.

As a reasonable parent, I know this to be the exception, rather than the rule and I applaud all teachers who have taken their posts honourably.

Catlike Thu 20-Jun-13 17:57:55

Some people need to read this article. It explains, for those who don't get it, why pupil-teacher relationships are abusive regardless of any supposed consent from the young person involved.

Alisvolatpropiis Thu 20-Jun-13 18:02:06

Surely you must know you're being unreasonable?

One can't just swan off abroad with minors who aren't your own children (sometimes not even if they are your own) regardless of how much they want to go. It's abduction because they lack to capacity to make that decision.

thebody Thu 20-Jun-13 18:02:23

I can't understand how in earth anyone is confused.

He is a predatory paediphile who abducted a child. 15 is a child.

This isn't two teenagers but a man of 30 who was in a position if trust.

Dirty disgusting man.

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