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AIBU to think this toilet design is madness in a secondary school!

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Tailtwister Fri 14-Jun-13 09:53:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22891134

Male/female open plan toilets in a secondary school! AIBU to think this is a crazy design? I could be wrong, but it looks like a recipe for disaster to me.

celticclan Tue 16-Jul-13 18:39:33

Dingit me too! I thought the first picture was the individual toilets in an open plan hall hmm

Apples7 Tue 16-Jul-13 17:10:07

I find the idea horrible!
Truthfully im a student at the high school in fourth year & im 14!
Im dealing with gender identity issues so the bright pink toilets arent very welcoming for someone who identifies as female but know they are truly male!
The fact is these toilets are connected to the school from the lunch hall to main corridor so whislt everyone is on way to classes others will be using the toilets its like a corridor & room at once! Conecting via the lunch hall were people eat food! Very unhygienic in my opinion tucking into lunch then a nice waft off un cleaned toilets YAY!
Also for girls dealing with periods while all the boys are in the same room wether using a stall or not its kinda weird!
Also i get bullied enough by both male& females constantly in school now if i want to go to the toilet it wil make it worse cos the boys will try to bully me in there aswell & i know it will happen i get bullied enough in all female school toilets & around school now this! sad

jamdonut Fri 14-Jun-13 21:35:49

I think they seem like a good idea. I don't have a problem with the idea of unisex toilets...so long as everyone has a cubicle, what does it matter?
My daughter (16 now) will hang on all day rather than go to the toilets at her school,(due to the girls who frequent them) which is far more unhealthy than worrying about who can hear you open packaging.
I think more places should be like this actually. But men would hate queuing up for toilets like women do!!

McPie Fri 14-Jun-13 21:28:21

Nah I will be the one constantly in the dance or fitness studio doing one of my 17 classes I do each week grin (wheres the crazy nutter smiley?). The staff are so used to me now they dont even ask what I'm in for now smile.

OvO Fri 14-Jun-13 21:21:34

I've not been properly past for a while. Just saw a glimpse between houses a few days ago. But will definitely go for a snoop around when it opens! grin

If I spot a woman loitering in the loos I'll know it's you. wink

pinkr Fri 14-Jun-13 21:15:22

These work brilliantly in our school. The toilets face the social area, the doors are floor to celling, about half are boy half girl and the hand washing but even has dyson hand dryers. It stops loitering and bullying and not one kid seems bothered by it. On the noise front there are three hundred odd kids in the social area so if someone can hear a rustle they have supper human senses!

McPie Fri 14-Jun-13 21:11:41

OvO hello grin have you been past recently, its looking amazing.
Im not sure if thats just the community toilets or if they are through out the whole school but they still look nicer than what they had to me.
The leisure side opens in 2 weeks time grin so will get to use unisex loos for the first time then.

OvO Fri 14-Jun-13 20:17:30

I like the look of those loos. Wouldn't worry about using them myself. I can see why some people dont like them but I do think people would get used to them very quickly.

My DS's will have to. That'll be their secondary school in years to come!

<waves to fellow Midlothian-er McPie> grin

WestieMamma Fri 14-Jun-13 20:06:40

In fact my daughter's old school was built in 1641, although I suspect they may have updated the bogs at some point. grin

I used the ones at DC school on parents night. Never gave it a second thought, TBH. Neither do the DC.

WestieMamma Fri 14-Jun-13 20:03:40

Here in Sweden it's standard for schools to have toilets like this. In fact the only place I've ever been here with separate male/female toilets is Ikea. Everywhere else is unisex.

DioneTheDiabolist Fri 14-Jun-13 19:54:52

I am sad and angry that in the 21st century women and girls are ashamed that they have periods and feel the need to hide the fact.

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:59:24

Unisex changing rooms are for all ages and are monitored - but the toilets at swimming pools are still single sex. Plus at school, the boys have separate changing rooms and showers (at my DCs school anyway).

so wait, unisex changing rooms at pools have been pretty much accepted as the norm for years in the UK but toilets are not ok?

As for rustling and blood on hands I felt the same way about girls not hearing or seeing. I didn't have my own private toilet at secondary to avoid this discomfort. I carried wipies and yes, flushed to mask the noise.

HollyBerryBush Fri 14-Jun-13 17:51:56

Armed police? I think not. I can't speak for other areas but schools have had police offices for a long time now. We share ours with the grammar school - it is simply a means to get an insight into 'stuff' that happens outside school - most kids socialise, they hear things, they know who is doing what where in the shopping precinct.

It's like the old 'beat bobby' - they exert very little authoritarian influence, but have everyones confidence. Worth their weight in gold for gleaning snippets of information. The upside being having a regular known officer within the school, children cease to be afraid and suspicious of the uniform - they are more likely to be open if they have a good solid relationship with the police.

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:51:50

I not you, and a rogue ? at the end of the first sentence blush

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:51:14

You do sometimes wonder who comes up with these bright ideas? Architects who get slightly carried away with designing the space rather than for the function (as it were grin), I think.

HollyBerryBush Fri 14-Jun-13 17:47:17

I was mortified at our Academy Chain partner - they put a set of open plan toilets in the school foyer hmm in a sort of horn shaped semi circle , quite large, one fondue fountain in the middle with what I can only describe as a wall of perspex sheet to give the illusion of a different room - that one piped in music to stop the noise of flushing and unwrapping and dare I say noisy ablutions!

Utterly the wrong place to install the loos however it is a particularly bad school behaviour wise, and it got to the point a pupil had to get, sign for the toilet key from the Head herself hmm. This would account for why it went into special measures if the Head was acting as the toilet attendant!!

Floggingmolly Fri 14-Jun-13 17:46:58

Needing armed police because the teachers had lost control of the school sounds like something from a Stephen King novel, birdsgottafly shock
How can you attribute this to the design of the toilets?

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:42:05

DD(14) just wandered in and I showed her the photo of the toilets and asked her what she thought. Utter horror, was the reaction. I asked her why, and she said that she would be mortified if she had her period, she would hate to have to use the toilets in front of the boys, and she said the boys would think it funny to use the girls side. It's wrong wrong wrong, apparently.

She has 2 brothers btw, and we are very open with nudity etc - she's not easily fazed.

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:37:06

Maybe that's key - have the toilets facing away from each other? Sounds far more sensible, and gives an illusion of privacy? Love the Marx Brothers pictures grin

HollyBerryBush Fri 14-Jun-13 17:30:38

We have those toilets - slightly different design - there is a central wall with the cubicles backing onto them, so boys and girls do not come out of the door and face each other, but the open-plan-ness is the same - complete with what I euphemistically refer to as the fondue fountain at each end, hot air dryers.

Each cubicle has a smoke alarm; the sinks no longer get stuffed with paper towels and taps left to run or little fires started. the incidence of bullying has dropped dramatically, no one can skulk off for a quick fag 9well they do they just have new hidey holes). The complex is opposite the main office so they are observed going in and out all the time - no truanting lessons, no two to a cubicle and so forth.

Its far far safer for all concerned. The down side is the hot air dryers - we now have a full time cleaner mopping up hand shake drips or the floor would be incidentally awash. But again her presence prevents truanting, bullying, poor behaviour and so forth.

Oh it doesn't stop the boys squeezing their spots in front of the girls or the girls whipping out the mascara at 3pm though - they are quite unabashed at carrying out their ablutions in front of each other grin despite the office ladies blowing up big pictures of the Marx Brothers in an attempt to stop the fad for big black chunky eyebrows!!!

SirChenjin Fri 14-Jun-13 17:08:51

I'm really struggling to understand why anyone thinks these open plan toilets will stop kids congregating or bullying. If you've been inside a High School recently (or remember them from your own time) you'll know that kids congregate anywhere and everywhere. Unless teachers are around, they will congregate and they will bully. An open plan toilet won't stop that - if anything, it will increase, with girls and boys showing off in front of each other.

Birthdayblue Fri 14-Jun-13 16:56:26

I have nc as very personal.

I was sexually abused as a child and there is no way I would have been able to go in those toilets. I acknowledge this is very specific to me and my feelings and have no idea if others who had this kind of childhood would feel the same. I was petrified of all males for years, I have had therapy so have improved.

School was my one refuge I told no one what was happening to me, the thought of no other girls being in there at the same time would have petrified me. I would not have always had a friend with me to go in and would not have been able to ask.

I'm guessing this will not have even crossed the minds of most on here this kind of fear cannot be explained. I don't expect people to understand my point of view.

mrsjuneyjuney Fri 14-Jun-13 16:10:29

yes I am like shitbreak but unlike him I didn't go home at lunchtime, me and my bladder of steel just hardcored it up and waited til I got home!

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