to be sickened by the level of violence and gore in horror films these days?

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dontmeanto Mon 13-May-13 16:41:08

...and the sheer volume of them??

DP and I went to hire a film Saturday night as a treat and couldn't believe just how many of these films were on the New Arrivals shelves.

Various plots on abduction, torture, force, maiming, etc.

I guess I just don't get why people are entertained by these films? I find them disturbing at best and absolutely disgusting at worst.

I just don't want those types of things in my head, and I worry there's a generation out there that will in some way become desensitised to this level of violence by making these films "cool" to watch with friends.

I remember being shocked by Scream when I was a teen, but these now are a billion times worse!

AIBU?

claig Tue 14-May-13 18:25:26

"However, I am concerned about some of the ways that art influences life."

It is the other way around. The progressive with a camera does not influence power. Power often influences and funds art to sell its message to the public. Power and finance use the progressive and the artist to desensitise the public.

claig Tue 14-May-13 18:07:55

grin
Of course there is sensationalism in many of its reports and i don't believe everything it says. But it is the best we have!

Fakebook Tue 14-May-13 18:05:47

Interesting. How do you know that the same paper that publishes a lot of "crap" about people you have no interest in, also publishes factual and precise political stories with no added sensationalism?

Hahahaha! Good one, claig! You josher, you grin

claig Tue 14-May-13 18:04:57

I also understand why, against some progressive objection, Peter Hitchens was once awarded the prestigious Orwell Prize - an honour beyond compare!

claig Tue 14-May-13 18:03:05

If after all that, I find the time, then I also make it a priority to read the classic commentaries by Melanie Phillips, Peter Hitchens and Richard Littlejohn. I fully understand why it was voted Newspaper of the Year 2012!

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:59:35

I avoid the "side bar of shame" because it is full of crap about people I have no interest in. I read the political stories and major news stories which I find enlightening.

Fakebook Tue 14-May-13 17:54:47

Do you read the "side bar of shame" too? I bet you enjoy looking at those nice wholesome photos of Kim Kardashian.

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:45:34

Yes, I don't watch Casualty either.
I watch good wholesome entertainment, comedies and the news and I reqd the Daily Mail. I try to steer clear of the crap that they throw in our path.

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:43:39

From a New Yoork times article on the series 24

"Through this artistic sleight of hand, the show makes torture appear normal."

"Has "24" descended down a slippery slope in portraying acts of torture as normal and therefore justifiable? Is its audience, and the public more generally, also reworking the rules of war to the point where the most expedient response to terrorism is to resort to terror? In the world beyond the show, that debate remains heated. How it plays out on "24" may say a great deal about what sort of society we are in the process of becoming."

www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/arts/television/22gree.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Did some progressive with a camera decide to commission this programme? Or is there more to it and its plots and messages?

is the normalisation of violenceand torture in films that are shown to the public just something that happened by chance because there was money to be made or is there more to it and the desensitisation and acclimatisation that it facilitates?

In the question that those silly conspiracy theorists often ask
Cui bono?

Fakebook Tue 14-May-13 17:38:43

Claig, what DO you watch? I bet Casualty is a "no no" on a Saturday night at your house too.

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:34:56

"But on the present season of "24" torture has gone from being an infrequent shock bid to being a main thread of the plot. At least a half-dozen characters have undergone interrogation under conditions that meet conventional definitions of torture."

Normalizing Torture on 24

The desensitisation occurs in horror gore movies, in violent coputer games and in mainstream TV series as well.

Coincidence?

Just about money?

Or deliberate.

StuntGirl Tue 14-May-13 17:28:25

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is my favourite personally.

Although I do like the bit in Jason X where he batters the camping girls in their sleeping bags.

KitchenandJumble Tue 14-May-13 17:28:21

VerySmallSqueak, that made me guffaw. grin

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:27:22

Oh and by the way, shows like "24" also desensitise people to violence and torture and even show I think government agencies doing it, although I don't know, because i don't watch horror gore crap or "24" crap either.

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:21:20

'I think I have a pretty good understanding of what goes on, thanks.'

This is from a Washinton post review of her book, The Dark Side

By the way the Dark Side is an apt description of the evil of the promotion of violent horror gore movies too.

"With the appearance of this very fine book, Hillary Clinton can claim a belated vindication of sorts: A right-wing conspiracy does indeed exist, although she misapprehended its scope and nature. The conspiracy is not vast and does not consist of Clinton-haters. It is small, secretive and made up chiefly of lawyers contemptuous of the Constitution and the rule of law.

...

Under the guise of "enhanced interrogation techniques," it has succeeded, in Mayer's words, in "making torture the official law of the land in all but name." Further, it has done all these things as a direct result of policy decisions made at the highest levels of government.

...

Above all, the story Mayer tells is one of fear and its exploitation.

That fear should trump concern for due process and indeed justice qualifies as a recurring phenomenon in American history. In 1919, government-stoked paranoia about radicalism produced the Red Scare. After Pearl Harbor, hysteria mixed with racism led to the confinement of some 110,000 Japanese Americans in internment camps. The onset of the Cold War triggered another panic, anxieties about a new communist threat giving rise to McCarthyism. In this sense, the response evoked by 9/11 looks a bit like déjà vu all over again: Frightened Americans, more worried about their own safety than someone else's civil liberties, allowed senior government officials to exploit a climate of fear

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/07/11/ST2008071101354.html

The silly conspiracy theories that you know little about often say similar things.

Horror movies with extreme violence are also about fear
They also exploit fear and they desensitise people to violence.

VerySmallSqueak Tue 14-May-13 17:14:09

'1984' was ok.

But a few zombies chucked in would have spiced it up a bit.

KitchenandJumble Tue 14-May-13 17:12:07

I think I have a pretty good understanding of what goes on, thanks.

Mayer's book "The Dark Side" is excellent. I'd highly recommend it to everybody on this thread.

I think "1984" is a pretty good novel. I quite enjoy some dystopian fiction now and again.

claig Tue 14-May-13 17:01:08

"In 2004, Mayer wrote an article on George Soros and other progressive billionaires who sought "to use their fortunes to engineer the defeat of President George W. Bush in the 2004 election." The article described Soros's "extreme measures" and how his "outsized financial role in the election" has "stirred alarm."[26]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Mayer

I have just looked her up on wikipedia. Jane Mayer is a top journalist for the New Yorker. So she is no conspiracy theorist. The title of her book is te Dark Side: The Inside story of how the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals.

Lots of conspiracy theorists say similar things and don't believe that it happened by chance, which probably differs from what she says, I don't know because I haven't read it.

"Her achievement," wrote reviewer Andrew J. Bacevich in The Washington Post, "lies less in bringing new revelations to light than in weaving into a comprehensive narrative a story revealed elsewhere in bits and pieces."[18] The volume, wrote Bacevich, a Boston University professor, "is a very fine book."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Mayer

'Which books would you recommend, other than 1984?'

There is no book better than 1984, it is all in there. But I would recommend other books by Orwell. i would recommend Gore Vidal and I would recommend you to read some conspiracy theorists too if you really want to understand what goes on.

StuntGirl Tue 14-May-13 16:53:37

Oh jesus.

<hides own thread>

grin I think that's the best course of action OP...

KitchenandJumble Tue 14-May-13 16:52:59

Have you read Mayer's book, claig? She certainly is not a conspiracy theorist.

Which books would you recommend, other than 1984?

claig Tue 14-May-13 16:46:25

'In Jane Mayers' excellent book "The Dark Side," she describes how both the rationale for torture and the torture techniques used in Guantanamo and elsewhere were directly influenced by the TV series "24."'

Is that one of these silly conspiracy theories?

Why don't you read people other than just Jane Myers. Conspiracy theorists who probably know ten times what she knows about how it works, who pays for it and why it is used to acclimatise people to what is happening and what will happen.

Do you really think that the screenwriter for "24" knows more about the techniques than those who do it?

OnwardBound Tue 14-May-13 16:43:59

VerySmallSqueak I agree. I have enjoyed watching such films as '28 days later' which depicted gory images of eye gouging et al.

However I am able to compartmentalise this somewhere in my brain as fantasy. Despite what some MNs seem to believe it is highly unlikely that a zombiapocalypse will ever occur, in our lifetime anyway grin

But as Kitchen described, it is perhaps more possible that the human race is becoming desensitised to images of extreme violence and torture. Once we start enjoying it and seeing it as entertainment, particularly when it is depicted in more realistic circumstances albeit that of a serial killer who we are also statistically very unlikely to ever encounter.

But the reality is that some poor individuals have encountered these sick and cruel individuals, ie the girls who suffered at the hands of Fred and Rose West. Or the children that are tortured in the name of "religion".

It seems to me to demean their memory to then act as if 'realistic' style torture porn is in any way a form of entertainment for the masses.

But I accept that some people do enjoy this genre of film making. I don't understand it at all though.

KitchenandJumble Tue 14-May-13 16:12:27

I'll try to ignore the conspiracy theories, which I find silly in the extreme. If anyone could offer me the name of even one of these "men in suits," I'd be surprised. I certainly don't think the answer is to introduce more censorship. That way madness lies.

However, I am concerned about some of the ways that art influences life. In Jane Mayers' excellent book "The Dark Side," she describes how both the rationale for torture and the torture techniques used in Guantanamo and elsewhere were directly influenced by the TV series "24." If we choose to become desensitised to violence, to accept that what we see on our screens is acceptable in our lives, then we are heading down a very dangerous path indeed.

VerySmallSqueak Tue 14-May-13 14:23:11

I like watching zombie films because it gives me a thrill.

The feelings of suspense - the knowledge that someone will make a bad decision and come a cropper-the excitement - the knowledge that I would do it all better and survive come the zombocalypse because I've watched so many films I'm an expert blush.

It's a good outlet.
We are made to need a bit of adrenaline - it's part of our human make up.
We used to climb and run and swim in rivers.We are still the same creatures we always were.
It's quite natural imo to watch something that raises our pulse rate a little.

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