To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist" ?

(428 Posts)
Scarletohello Tue 07-May-13 17:46:42

So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

Scarletohello Tue 07-May-13 18:53:49

Wow it's turned into a bit of a catfight here, not quite what I was expecting. However I will say again, please watch some of her films and then tell me what you think ( feel a bit like an alien right now). I wrote thus because I am totally for womens' sexual experimentation and liberation and have been involved in the fetish/ swinging scene for many years and have personally found it very empowering which is why I hate this kind of thing....

OhLori Tue 07-May-13 18:56:37

I think the term "feminist" has probably become a redundant and meaningless term. "Empowerment" has come to mean anything at all, including selling your own body and exploiting other people.

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 18:57:29

Tig - the only porn actor mentioned in this thread is this Sasha Grey.

Unless you want to come up with some others, she, and her interview with Elle magazine. A women's magazine. Is all we've got to go on here.

I can't get past the:

"she is being criticised for doing things for her own benefit"

in your post as it's thrown me.

Do you really think she gets the benefit?
I don't understand.
Please tell me the benefit she gets?
I am genuinely interested in hearing the benefit as I've never thought of this before.
I hope you can reply.

Thank goodness for you binks standing up for the rights of the silent majority of women who are desperate for our holes to be ripped and to be choked- thirty years ago these were seen as 'out there practises' but now at last we can all share in them.

Elle
You smell
of abject desperation

CloudsAndTrees Tue 07-May-13 18:58:24

I genuinely don't understand why people get so worked up about stuff like this.

This sasha whatshername is happy doing what she is doing. She isn't responsible for anyone else. What everyone else does is up to them.

Isn't the fact that she can do what she wants to do and getting paid well for it a positive result of feminism? Ok, so women doing porn might not have been listed as one of the original aims of feminism, but feminism was supposed to be about giving women freedom of choice (amongst other things) not about allowing women to do things as long as its acceptable to every other women in existence.

GoshAnneGorilla Tue 07-May-13 18:58:49

YANBU

Her films are absolutely vile. If people want to claim that watching a woman being punched in the stomach and doing ass to mouth is a-ok and that it is fine and dandy for men to be getting off on stuff like this... I just have no words.

I just get so tired of the "cool girl" mentality.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 19:00:51

I'm sorry, OP. I just feel very strongly about this particular issue. I don't mean any personal offense to you.

I have seen her films and she does go for it. But TigOldBitties sums it up for me. Why is she being criticised for doing things for her own gain and not so we can all cheer her on.

Also, I guess I don't understand what's so dreadful about aggressive sex.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 07-May-13 19:03:28

I don't give a flying fuck what type of films she makes or what type of sex she has who she has it with or how much she gets paid for it.

If its legal then its legal.

She can also describe herself as what ever she wants.

I'm pretty sure thousands of women have fought for years and years so other women could do what they damn well pleased with there own body.

Szeli Tue 07-May-13 19:05:15

Isn't the fact that she can do what she wants to do and getting paid well for it a positive result of feminism? Ok, so women doing porn might not have been listed as one of the original aims of feminism, but feminism was supposed to be about giving women freedom of choice (amongst other things) not about allowing women to do things as long as its acceptable to every other women in existence.

^^ this

and in her films she states in the 'interviews' yes she did in fact enjoy it. So let her be

x

GoshAnneGorilla Tue 07-May-13 19:05:23

Her films aren't "aggressive", they are about women being sexually degraded and abused.

flippinada Tue 07-May-13 19:09:31

People are actually defending abusive, aggressive porn where women are being tortured?

Wow, just...wow.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 19:09:33

But if they're consenting, how are they being abused?

Does the door swing both ways? You can find videos of men having their ball sacks crushed with high heels. Are they being abused too?

Scarletohello Tue 07-May-13 19:11:12

Can someone please tell me how I get this thread moved to 'relationships' as I think it might be more appropriate there?

Katiekitty Tue 07-May-13 19:11:15

Bingo!

First call of the menz!

AnyFucker Tue 07-May-13 19:11:20

I am a Male Rights Activist

There, I said it...so it must be so

I am also Mother Theresa on a Monday, and Elle Mcpherson on a Tuesday.

I am sure you all acknowledge and agree with me.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 07-May-13 19:11:29

We have films about all sorts of things that are unacceptable. Doesn't any actor who ever played a Nazi Officer in a WW2 film have to justify themselves?

No. They don't. So why should a porn actress have to do so?

TunipTheVegedude Tue 07-May-13 19:11:51

'I'm pretty sure thousands of women have fought for years and years so other women could do what they damn well pleased with there own body.'

Only someone who knows nothing at all about the history of feminism could come up with this line.
Show me a quote, then, if you reckon this is what the Suffragettes were fighting for.

KatieKitty, I can happily reply. Although I'm a bit confused by

the only porn actor mentioned in this thread is this Sasha Grey.

Unless you want to come up with some others, she, and her interview with Elle magazine. A women's magazine. Is all we've got to go on here.

If that was in reference to me pointing out that Miley Cyrus (Pop star) was the cover star and main feature, I was simply pointing out details of the article that some of you may not be aware of, and also information which helps to establish more clearly the level of promotion Elle is giving SG.

In regards to your questions about her receiving the benefits of her actions, I will explain more thoroughly as you have said you haven't understood. I do really believe she is getting the benefit, I am of the strong belief that her decision to go into the porn industry, her decisions towards the content in which she appeared whilst a part of that industry, her decision to leave said industry and the other work as an actor, write and (I think?) musician are all very much to her own benefit.

This benefit that I refer to is primarily financial, but also there is the publicity (which could be argued as also being financial) and then I do think or at least i get the impression from her interviews and more recent work that she has gained some sort of emotional or intellectual development from her work in and outside of porn.

If you need further clarification do let me know.

hopipolla Tue 07-May-13 19:12:12

Whether you think her films are "aggressive" or abusive is of no importance, they are legal and she was happy to make them for which I'm sure she was well re-numerated. Similarly the magazine are entitled to describe her how they wish and if you don't like it then you should buy the magazine again. What other people choose to do is none of your business.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 19:12:18

If I consent to this that or the other - and for the record, I do - how am I being abused?

I do honestly appreciate that you don't get it. But what is it you're so scared of?

Bogeyface Tue 07-May-13 19:13:37

I think the problem isnt that she likes doing it, whatever floats your boat. ITs the fact that what she is filmed doing normalises the absolute degradation and abuse of women, which creates a false sense of "normal" for the men that watch it.

A friend of mine was brutally assaulted during consensual sex with a man that she had known for a long time and been dating for a few weeks. The least of what he did was bite her breasts so hard she bled. It later transpired that he had a major porn habit of the sort the OP describes. In court his lawyer tried to argue that his view of women and the world was skewed because of this and sadly, it did make a difference to his sentencing by the (male, natch) judge sad

AnyFucker Tue 07-May-13 19:13:57

OP, ask for it to be moved to FWR, not Relationships

Massive mistake for you to post this here in AIBU which mainly attracts the "cool", male-appeasing fuckwits on threads of this nature.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 07-May-13 19:14:03

How is this thread more appropriate for relationships? confused

I could understand you wanting it moved to the feminism board, but relationships?

Go back to your OP, click the report button on the top right, and ask for it to be moved if you want OP.

flippinada Tue 07-May-13 19:16:09

AF has it spot on I reckon.

BinksToEnlightenment Tue 07-May-13 19:17:32

I don't think Sasha Grey should be held responsible for rapists. They predate her. Or anyone like her.

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