To want to do something about a nasty manager

[Ponyofdoom]

Really nasty piece of work, giving final written warnings to several staff with sickness issues even though they have been improving/had really genuine reasons. He is also aggressive in meetings with people he thinks are lower than him in the food chain when alone, but nicey when there are HR people present. Also shamelessly lies, has lied about something I did. Really want to do something, I have complained to HR but nothing happens.

[LimitedEditionLady]

Its got to come from the people its happened to aswell as you.you cant complain for them so its a stronger case if they do it aswell.has he a manager above him?if so go to the.start your complaint at the bottom and work upwards.

[Ponyofdoom]

Others have complained. In one case he insisted people come in with suspected norovirus and meningitis. Unions are involved. I think I will complain higher up tomorrow.

[LimitedEditionLady]

Make a written record of any incidents so you dont forget them also.can you confront him on the lie?might give him a little reality check when he knows you know.

[LimitedEditionLady]

Unions are the best x

[Ponyofdoom]

He knows I know, he is very arrogant so I don't think he cares. I have kept the email where he lied and there was a witness.

[TheseFoolishThings]

Most phones nowadays have very effective voice recording functions as well as video making capability. Sounds extreme but I swung pre-tribunal negotiations into my favour by using both those functions.

[BriansBrain]

I agree with Limited, can you call him on the lie?

[gordyslovesheep]

talk to your union

[Ponyofdoom]

The lie was a few weeks ago now. I am not in a union, but the most victimised person is, however they didn't manage to stop her getting the warning. She will take it further though.

[gallicgirl]

Keep a diary of events and people. I hate that some people think behaviour like this is acceptable.

[Jinsei]

If you have solid evidence, put in a formal grievance. A group grievance would be even better, though I wouldn't focus too much on the sickness issue, as he may just be following company policy.

I don't think you should record him secretly on your phone - isn't it illegal to record someone without their permission? I doubt a tribunal would consider this admissible evidence.

[Worriedmumofan8yearoldgirl]

Go down the grievance route. I've started on one of my senior managers with backing of his boss due to my treatment over year end performance reviews and my sickness

[Ponyofdoom]

I have been thinking about a grievance. I agree, one cannot record secretly. I am sure it can't be legit though to force people with meningitis and norovirus into a crowded office!?

[TheseFoolishThings]

The tribunal might not like recorded evidence. HR will certainly sit up and take notice. Extreme measures are sometimes needed especially when you're dealing - as I was - with people who have dysfunctional moral and ethical compasses.

[Worriedmumofan8yearoldgirl]

No, it's not. Make sure you take a witness into any meeting with him to take notes.

My one is also insisting similar things and is also insisting all my medical appointments (NHS ones) are booked out of office hours or my hours will be reduced accordingly. Disability discrimination and all that.

[Jinsei]

I am sure it can't be legit though to force people with meningitis and norovirus into a crowded office!?

No, of course not, it's idiotic, but you can bet your life he won't admit to this, and it will be dressed up in another way.

[Jinsei]

As for recording without permission, you'd be facing potential disciplinary where I work. Not worth the risk.