to be surprised so few have signed?

(56 Posts)
Flojobunny Sun 07-Apr-13 11:01:52

Just signed the 'Justice for Jade' e-petition.
If it reaches 100,000 signature, they can discuss it in parliament.
Surprised to find only 2,000 or so votes.
It is to change the law so people can be prosecuted if their dog attacks on private property.
Is this not important?

Sommink Mon 08-Apr-13 08:55:51

I was bitten by a dog. I wouldn't call myself attacked.

I was picking up stones and throwing them into a stream, a dog off its lead came over and tried to get the stone out of my hand. I still have the scars and it was very painful. Even if the dog isn't attacking what it can do to a small child is still dangerous and the effects can last a lifetime.

My daughter is terrified of dogs. When she was 2 four dogs off the lead ran up to her and jumped up at her. I picked her up so she was higher and they still jumped. Their owners didn't even bother to apologise. At 5 she would still run into the road if a dog came near her as she looks for any form of escape and you can physically see her pail.

I feel dogs of leads if a far bigger issue. Just because you are happy with your dog being off the lead and feel you have full recall doesn't mean everyone around you is happy, or that other dogs who are on their leads will be happy with a dog running up to them.

Sorry to go off topic.

I won't be signing the petition.

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:47:21

True, but that ^ is as the result of public consultation in April-June 2012.

So by my reckoning, within a year they already have free microchipping available to everyone, with it becoming compulsory in another 3 years - that is actually quite a speed

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:43:28

Holly considering the glacial speed at which government often moves I don't see what harm a prod in the right direction from the public will do.

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:37:52

I fail to see what isn't already covered by DEFRA and the Dangerous Dogs Act

www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/dog-ownership/

I didn't know this - that there is free microchipping available to all dogs at present, with becoming compulsory in April 2016 along with registering the animal.

""All dogs will need to be microchipped by 6 April 2016. This will allow people and small businesses, such as breeders, to adapt to the new requirement. The legislative mechanism to introduce this measure will be by regulations under the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

From that date owners will need to have their dog microchipped and registered on one of the authorised commercial databases available; owners will have to register the details of any new owner before they sell or give the dog away. Any owner will have to keep their contact details up to date on the microchip databases.""

Again this is already in the pipeline:

Summary

Defra sought views on a proposed package of measures aimed at tackling irresponsible ownership of dogs. The main proposals:
•Extending the criminal offence of allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control to private property (where the dog has a right to be);
•Compulsory microchipping of dogs;
•Removing the need to seize and kennel all dogs where court proceeding are pending; and
•Increase the fee for placing a dog on the Index of Exempted Dogs

Nancy66 Mon 08-Apr-13 08:37:04

If you're going to go to the trouble to launch a petition which, presumably, you want hundreds of thousands of people to sign - then why would you not proof read the wording?

Yes, I know it's petty but the fact it's so badly written will put many off.

Prosecution after a dog attack, I mean, rather than legislation to prevent irresponsible people owning dogs they can't control in the first place.

alarkthatcouldpray Mon 08-Apr-13 08:30:45

I took my neighbour a parcel I had taken in for her a couple of Christmases ago. 12yr old son opened door and their dog flew out at me. I was holding my six month old baby, retreated backwards, fell over a garden ornament and lay in the rockery with it snarling and growling over us both until I managed to escape. Thankfully it didn't bite. It was a terrifying experience. Had I or baby been injured I would have been furious to find out I was powerless to do anything about it.

Since then it has tried to snarl and snap when I'm getting out the car, sticking its nose in at me on one occasion. It also escaped one day and went for me as I stepped out my front door. I have to take my kids out to the car one at a time as I don't trust the door or its owners. My elder DD is aware of why we do this and is inevitably going to end up nervous of dogs which annoys me.

I am a GP and hate going to houses where people just let their dogs intimidate me trying to get out the car. I usually phone them and tell them to sort the dog out before I can do the home visit. I have been in the situation where the ill patient was bed bound and alone with a dog barking aggressively at me trying to open car door. Thankfully had a driver that day as doing ooh, he distracted the dog while I made for the door.

Do people really want others to feel this way on their property? Pretty sad if they do!

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:28:58

Beer, aren't most prosecutions retrospective? You can't really prosecute someone until the crime has been committed!

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:27:10

The purpose of the petition is to force a debate about the issue in parliament and hopefully prompt a change in the law, how the petition is worded isn't important.

It is still retrospective prosecution and as such will not prevent bites or deaths. Which to me, is the most important thing.

To be honest, I would sign anything that would promote responsible dog ownership one way or another, or give anybody real power to act in the face of dog owners not picking up dog poo, not keeping aggressive dogs on leaches, but I doubt this petition will achieve this.

Personally, I think most dogs are pests. (Due to their owners, I suppose)
I have lost count of dog owners laughing at their dogs nipping and jumping on my dc, saying "oh isnt he cute, he is so playful" There is nothing cute about a dog chasing a child, barking and nipping.

In fact, if there was a petition that allowed parents to carry paint guns to mark unfriendly dogs for dog wardens to put down, I would sign it!

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:22:27

To be very picky the petition is ill written and wishy washy, which is why most of these things fail.

Quote: ""We want to get the law changed to make dog owners accountable for their dogs at the moment the police have no powers to prosecute dog owners if their dog attacks somebody on private property we want that changed as well as regulating certain breads of dogs so they have a license and have the dog registered and micro chipped . this would give police the power to confiscate viscous dogs that are unlicensed and hopefully we can save other family's suffering like we have gone through"" unquote

These are statistically the top ten vicious dog breeds (by reported bites) in the UK - do you think any of these come under the petitions 'regulating certain breeds' ? Confiscate? and do what with it?

1.Dachshunds
2.Chihuahua
3.Jack Russell
4.Australian Cattle Dog
5.Cocker Spaniel
6.Beagle
7.Border Collie
8.Pit Bull Terrier
9.Great Dane
10.English Springer Spaniel

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 08:19:45

Fallenninja, it's not a knee jerk reaction, the present dangerous dogs act is inadequate and there have been moves to change the law for some time now. Considering hospital admissions for dog attacks have increased by 500% in the last twenty years it seems something needs to be done to tackle irresponsible owners. There is no reason why trespassers can't be excluded from the law and responsible owners who have proper control over their animals should have nothing to fear.

Mimishimi Mon 08-Apr-13 08:16:47

I am not surprised. However, is it established that the dogs actually did belong to the owner of the property? I am sure there would be grounds for legal action if they did not. Why was Jade there by herself? We get packs of dogs in Australia. Sadly, there is no one breed where it's not possible for them to get in with the 'wrong crowd' ( and yes, they are usuallly teenage- in dog years- males ). We had to give away labrador once because he started attacking chickens with another dog, then a couple more joined them and they started attacking calves at a nearby dairy farm. M&D didn't believe it when the farmer first started telling them because he would come back clean in the early evening but once they knew for sure they were concerned he might have turned on us.

It also won't prevent dog attacks, because knowing legislation exists to punish owners retrospectively means zip to the sort of owners who are not responsible for their dogs' behaviour.

Holla, what a cogent and thoughtful response hmm

HollyBerryBush Mon 08-Apr-13 08:08:34

People won't sign because they don't want to be held responsible for their dogs

I don't have a dog and I won't sign it.

TheFallenNinja Mon 08-Apr-13 08:06:33

I wouldn't sign for 2 reasons

It want give anyone justice.

I've yet to see a knee jerk law that does what it intends.

Verbalpunchbag Mon 08-Apr-13 07:57:16

People won't sign because they don't want to be held responsible for their dogs, it's their right to let their dog bite visitors to their home don't you know! I'll be signing it.

whokilleddannylatimer Mon 08-Apr-13 07:47:25

Quint she was visited her friend.

whokilleddannylatimer Mon 08-Apr-13 07:45:47

My problem with it is, my mums dog is the most placid ball of fluff but if someone broke into their house and attacked my mum he would go for them.

This law would mean they would be proscecuted for the dog defending them from that.

However I do think liscence and chipping and proscecuting in cases where neglect or lack of care or such can be shown should be brought in.

HollaAtMeBaby Mon 08-Apr-13 07:36:25

I've signed.

But then, I bloody hate dogs. I'd happily sign a petition for the whole stinking lot of them to be wiped out altogether.

Sparklyblue Mon 08-Apr-13 00:03:33

I have signed.

erowid Sun 07-Apr-13 23:10:34

I wouldn't sign it.

The responsible ones would, Mousy. The asshats with status dogs will just continue to own and breed dogs they can't handle.

It's a ridiculous knee-jerk response to a tragedy and i hope it doesn't get anywhere.

MousyMouse Sun 07-Apr-13 22:51:43

I have signed.
I think many things could be better with regards to dog ownership/responsibilities and this would be a good start.
worried dog owners could always take out insurance and/or train dogs better or get rid of a dog they cannot care adequately for.

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