To feel sad that this could be the beginning of the end for the United Kingdom?

(254 Posts)
SamuelWestsMistress Thu 21-Mar-13 19:40:29

I feel so sad this evening after hearing the news for the date for the referendum. I am really dreading the whole countdown to voting day because I really fear that the SNP will get their way. What would be really sad is if its a close count. I just desperately hope living here won't feel too different.

I love having a British identity despite being born in Scotland and will be so sad and angry if its taken away.

AIBU to be feeling rather worried and actually afraid by the entire thing? I really don't like the SNP. (Don't like the coalition it her, but I think they've managed to push things to come to this!)

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:32:09

The thing that really winds me up is that we are essentially being asked to vote on an ideological basis with no real information on what the settlement will look like. I know why it is the case but I don't think it's right.

My husband said something along those lines earlier tonight he said we have had no information about 'how it will all work'

awaynboilyurheid Thu 21-Mar-13 20:32:50

Another one who is worried that people will vote to leave UK knew they would time it around some big events to encourage nationalism, just hope people don't vote for King Eck, we are stronger united than apart.

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:33:09

*I remember so clearly the massive anger and frustration I felt when Thatcher was in power.

That memory is still fresh.*

So do I and it is going back to that imo

Manchesterhistorygirl Thu 21-Mar-13 20:33:23

What I find ludicrous is my Scottish Friend, still has her passport, but lives in Canada is flying "home" to vote yes!

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:34:48

I live in an area where we have a town called 'little England' maybe the English should go back there, what a stupid statementholly and thatcher ruined this country all off it ,

We're not going to get the answers either in reality. As I understand it they don't have the authority to negotiate the terms of a settlement. My DH was arguing with somebody on facebook earlier (in fact several of them!) who were stating we will be taking 8.4% of the debt, it's "already been decided" - unless I have missed something it's not exactly going to be a unilateral decision!

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:35:32

wont your friend need a scottish address though ?

determinedma Thu 21-Mar-13 20:38:58

I will be voting NO. There is still no hard evidence and facts as to how Scotland will support itself. Recipe for disaster. With me, dh, and two dds that's 4 NO votes. The irony is we are all English, but a SCottish friend living in England has no vote

MrsKeithRichards Thu 21-Mar-13 20:39:09

David Cameron et al are the strongest argument for the yes vote. They are playing right into the independence supporters hands. The Tories are hated up here, with passion and for good bloody reason. immaculate timing.

TheCrackFox Thu 21-Mar-13 20:39:12

I don't think the Canadian lady will be able to vote (might be wrong though).

I would like to know what percentage of the debt we will be given. A massive amount of detail is missing to this debate.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 21-Mar-13 20:39:37

Is your friend on tne electoral roll, Mancs?

willowstar Thu 21-Mar-13 20:41:27

I'm fae Aberdeen, wish I was still living up there so I could vote no.

MissAnnersley Thu 21-Mar-13 20:42:03

Absolutely MrsKeithRichards.

MrsKeithRichards Thu 21-Mar-13 20:44:10

She can't just fly in and vote.

maddening Thu 21-Mar-13 20:44:27

I don't think it's the right time right now.

I hope we remain united - I love Scotland and hope to live there again in the future.

But right now with global economics as it is - even the cost of creating a fully functioning government - the transfer of power itself would cost a bomb and now there is not much spare cash - even changing the name of a department costs a fortune in rebranding. Whether it's a good reason not to break off I don't know.

SamuelWestsMistress Thu 21-Mar-13 20:46:36

I think this government are doing exactly what some of you have said and driving the undecided to a yes. I want them not be honest. Absolutely 100% honest about what an independent Scotland would mean. From things as trivial like no more BBC tv being broadcast to as major as not being part of Europe and what that would mean and everything in between.

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:48:27

If im still undecided by next year I think it will be NO vote, there is no tory Mps in scotland that says it all really

ClippedPhoenix Thu 21-Mar-13 20:52:14

Being British I would celebrate this. It seems to me that for a while now the Scottish have been stand alone when it suits them. I say go on then. You can't have it both ways.

My Mother is Scottish by the way.

It was one way for the Scottish concerning uni fees etc. and one for us. this doesn't work. do it yourselves now.

Euphemia Thu 21-Mar-13 20:52:23

Did anyone see the countdown thingy on Reporting Scotland tonight?! Woo - the excitement! grin

HillBilly76 Thu 21-Mar-13 20:54:47

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mikey9 Thu 21-Mar-13 20:56:49

We are 1 part English and 3 parts Scottish in our family - and living in Scotland - but two votes for the adults and undecided.

Scotland for the last unpteen elections has returned a maximum of one MP for the ruling Tories (sorry - the Lib Dems just don't count anymore - at least they won't after the next election up here). It intrigues me that there isn't more uproar over that very fact.

Another 18 months of tory rule and who knows which way anyone will vote......

mrsjay Thu 21-Mar-13 20:58:00

the steel thingy Euphemia ?

I was hoping it was going to be june like he promised something to do with The battle of bannockburn people would come over all patriotic , grin

Euphemia Thu 21-Mar-13 20:58:23

If it's a no vote the Scots will have to stop moaning about being unfairly treated and about having Tory governments that they didn't vote for.

Good luck with that! grin

MissAnnersley Thu 21-Mar-13 20:59:24

Ha ha! Scots not moaning? grin

MrsKeithRichards Thu 21-Mar-13 21:00:13

There are more pandas in Scotland than Tory mps.

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