AIBU to think this is a bit mean for a snack

(41 Posts)
Tailtwister Thu 07-Mar-13 15:08:39

I need some perspective on this, as I don't know if IABU or not. DS changed to a school nursery last year and I've been surprised at some of the things the children have received as their mid-morning snack. For instance, today they were offered an oatcake with jam on it (1) and some milk. I was under the impression that nurseries were expected to provide some fresh fruit too. The children in the class range from 3-5 and imo need more than 1 biscuit to sustain them until lunch. Sometimes DS comes home to say he's had 1 digestive biscuit!

AIBU? At his previous (private) nursery they would get some fruit and something like rice cakes with mackerel pate. What is the norm and would I be reasonable to raise this with the nursery? It doesn't seem in line with healthy eating guidelines to me.

insancerre Thu 07-Mar-13 18:01:59

I work in a nursery and snack is a very small meal, in fact, it's just a snack.
We try to provide a variety of nutritious choices, as advised by the EYFS.
We had houmous with breadsticks and carrot/cucumber sticks this afternoon. This morning it was toast.
Tommorrow will be cereal in the morning and fruit in the afternoon.
A handful of raisins sounds fine as a snack to me- as does an oatcake with jam.
I am grin at the children possibly dropping from starvation because they have not eaten for a couple of hours.

exoticfruits Thu 07-Mar-13 18:05:59

I would be complaining if mine had rolls etc! They don't need much if they had breakfast and are having lunch.

Tailtwister Thu 07-Mar-13 18:11:12

I never said he would drop from starvation insancerre! I'm was just questioning the snack as it was so different from what was provided at the previous nursery.

Yes, I agree that a balanced diet should be provided. I do think that some fruit every day should be available, but of course I don't know what all the children get at lunchtime since DS isn't there for lunch. At home they have a free rein of the fruit bowl and cut up veg as and when they want it. I don't think that's going to make them obese!

insancerre Thu 07-Mar-13 18:17:23

Sorry to put words into your mouth op smile
I used to work in private nurseries where most of the food would be wasted but they used to serve it anyway. They had a bigger budget as they charged more,
Pre-schools and school nurseries have a much smaller budget, especially if they survive on the free funded hours which hardly covers anything, let alone snack.
We could offer our children more but they don't actually need more.
We do have a fruit bowl available all the time so if children really need sustaining they can have a whole piece of fruit to themselves.

Hmm our school gives them a piece of fruit and a carton of milk. Mine don't eat a lot of fruit so I'm happy they eat some there, but I would be fine if they had an oatcake. It's a snack, appropriate in size and it's not their responsibility to make sure they are eating the right thing. Surely it's just to tide them over if they have not had a big lunch/breakfast?

Our is not a private school and is in a deprived area. We pay 50p a week per child for this.

Goldenbear Thu 07-Mar-13 18:43:04

I don't think YABU. It doesn't seem very much IMO but that is because when my DS attended a private nursery at age 3 the afternoon snack was sandwiches or a crumpet or pitta bread with houmous, veg sticks followed by a malt loaf slice or banana bread slice. Needless to say, when he started school he was very disappointed in the snack selection. He is in Year 1 now and will often go without because the only choice is lots of mangy old carrots!

Coconutty Thu 07-Mar-13 18:44:55

Didn't you ask them about snacks when you looked around? If so did they tell you what to expect?

Softlysoftly Thu 07-Mar-13 18:49:04

It sounds a bit odd, at our preschool the kids take in 1 peice of fruit in each week, some parents go outside that and take eg Bread sticks.

They are then broken up into the snacks for the week. Could you suggest something like that to them? the other parents may hate you.

someoftheabove Thu 07-Mar-13 18:50:10

On another thread someone said their dentist believes fruit is the biggest threat to healthy teeth in children because of all the sugar it contains. It's tempting to think that if it's natural sugar it won't rot their teeth, but that's not the case. Not to say children shouldn't have fruit at all, but that its reputation as a healthy snack doesn't seem justified.

CheerfulYank Thu 07-Mar-13 18:54:37

I think it sounds okay, but I do like that they have fruit most days at DS' preschool. I can hardly get more than a few bites of breakfast in him, so it's nice to know he will have a banana, crackers, and milk a few hours in at preschool. Sometimes they have cupcakes or cookies but usually it's fruit, crackers, and milk or juice.

Tailtwister Thu 07-Mar-13 19:18:15

That's ok insancerre, I understand your points completely.

DS has been on the waiting list for such a long time Coconutty, that I can't remember if they mentioned snacks tbh. I think part of the difference is that at his previous nursery they had an in-house cook who took care of all the food, so the snacks were maybe more varied because of that. At the new place they have a canteen which I believe is operated by a contractor (the food is brought in, not cooked on the premises), so the nursery has to provide snacks separately. They do have a kitchen, but it's not as if they just nip in to collect something which has already been prepared. When DS starts in P1, they are allowed to bring a snack in from home for the morning and afternoon breaks.

I know the fruit thing is kind of a red herring, especially when it comes to teeth. My two are real fruit monsters, but their teeth are in good condition (so far!). I suppose if that were different then I'd have to be more careful of the natural sugars issue.

I'm a lot happier knowing that this level of snack isn't unusual and I do take on board what you're all saying. I guess when DS does start in P1 he'll be doing full days and be having lunches in the dining hall. I have seen the menu and it does seem to provide a good balance (fruit too!) and I can add bits and pieces to his snack box if need be.

kinkyfuckery Thu 07-Mar-13 19:23:27

Sounds like something the kids would be offered at my kids (school) nursery, but there would also be fruit offered if they wanted it.
Are you sure that is all that was available? Are you going by your 3 year old's word?

Ask to see the snack-plan for the week. Ours displays the snack plan on the wall in the cloakroom, so we can see what they have had/will be having that week.

Sometimes, it's toast and jam/spread, or pancakes, or biscuits, sometimes soup, or super noodles. Quite a variety of stuff. I prefer the biscuit and fruit option, if she's had super noodles she'd never eat her lunch.

Tailtwister Thu 07-Mar-13 19:31:27

Yes kinky, I am going by what DS has told me. There isn't anywhere with the snacks listed down, so it's hard to check without seeming dissatisfied IYSWIM. I kind of wanted to get some perspective on it before I waded in and possibly ruffled feathers for no good reason. The nursery is brilliant in every other way and DS seems very happy there, as do the other children.

Thank God for Mumsnet!

willesden Thu 07-Mar-13 21:11:21

Oatcakes <boak>.

5Foot5 Thu 07-Mar-13 21:27:43

What kind of oatcake? Staffordshire oat cakes are a nice big savoury sort of pancake which I would think quite a substantial snack for a small child. Or is it one of those nasty, wee biscuits?

OnceUponAThyme Thu 07-Mar-13 22:10:10

my dd is 4 in school nursery, and does 2 1/2 days.
for morning snack, they are given a choice of slice of toast, crackers or oatcakes with butter, cheese or jam. drinks are water or milk.
afternoon snack is fruit and veg selection that they can pick at.
so it's possible they offer fruit or veg, but only after lunch. my dd loves her 2 full days as she gets to have two snacks as well as lunch there hmm

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