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to expect people to know...

(38 Posts)
cheeseandchive Sat 02-Mar-13 12:53:32

that referencing Wikipedia is NOT ok at university level?!

<slams head on desk repeatedly>

MiaowTheCat Sat 02-Mar-13 18:19:14

I've fought the fight with primary kids that "research" is NOT just printing every single thing that comes up on a Google search (including Wiki) that you don't have a clue what it's saying at all, sticking a wordart cover on it and shoving it all in a folder. Unfortunately lots of colleagues have been impressed by a shiny cover and thick wedge of paper so the good work gets shot down in flames over time.

TheFallenNinja Sat 02-Mar-13 16:12:11

Also. Typing words into google isn't "research"

livinginwonderland Sat 02-Mar-13 15:49:03

yanbu. i haven't been allowed to use wikipedia for research or school work since i was about thirteen, so first year of upper/high school.

Still18atheart Sat 02-Mar-13 15:46:44

Third year student who has never referenced wikipedia only to have a lecturer to have copied and pasted his entire lecture from that website of the devil

MissMogwi Sat 02-Mar-13 15:44:54

Arrgh, I hate group marking. Recipe for rage IMO. grin

cheeseandchive Sat 02-Mar-13 15:44:00

I don't mind what people do for their own exams, MrsLouis, it's when it's group work that is pees me off! Why should I be down-graded just because someone else CBA and I can't make them.

wine very much needed

MrsLouisTheroux Sat 02-Mar-13 15:16:33

Hmm, a bit like me reading Brodies notes instead of actual book for Eng. Lit. exam? Ok, I get your point! grin

MissMogwi Sat 02-Mar-13 15:05:34

I'm a third year student and I would be amazed at anyone referencing Wiki at this point!

We were told in first year it is not an acceptable source, so anyone using it three years down the line is desperate and/or just can't be arsed.

There are loads of online databases which are listed on the university website, so there's no excuse.

Familyguyfan Sat 02-Mar-13 14:59:10

It is one of the things I hate the most. It's lazy and unreliable and yet students do it year after year. Use a book!!!

cheeseandchive Sat 02-Mar-13 14:52:41

Blimey, London, at Masters level!?!

Yeah, tempted to follow Westie's DH's lead!

Grumpla Sat 02-Mar-13 14:45:08

Haha Westie 's DH has the right idea there!

LondonInHighHeeledBoots Sat 02-Mar-13 14:40:15

We had lecturers who used to ref Wiki at uni, if they are going to, so am I (no, I'm not its terrible science but ffs! Chemistry Masters' lecturers)

I do use it as a journal finder though.

Lifeisontheup Sat 02-Mar-13 13:43:00

I'm in the first year of an OU degree and we're told never to use Wikipedia as a reference although we can use it as a springboard to find other references.

I'm not entirely surprised though given the number of people who seem to believe that an article in a newspaper is fact and totally proves their point.

badtime Sat 02-Mar-13 13:38:24

When I was doing my Masters, I did read the wikipedia articles, along with everything else, but if I wanted to reproduce a point from wiki, I would go to the article footnotes and actually read the original source, as this is the only way to know if the wiki article is anywhere near accurate. The main problem I actually find with wikipedia is that most articles only give a very limited amount of information and a narrow perspective.

(We got training on how to use all sorts of online databases, but I am lazy).

I find it hard to understand how a 3rd year UG could think it is appropriate to cite wikipedia (in anything other than an essay about wikipedia or something else where it would be directly relevant).

JaquelineHyde Sat 02-Mar-13 13:31:07

YANBU how can anyone think that it is ok to reference Wiki confused

It is the laziest thing I have ever heard!

OK start there and get some basics for your essay, but then check the bloody things, do another Google search use scholar back up what you have found on Wiki and then reference that.

IT IS NOT DIFFICULT!!!

This makes me so angry

Trills Sat 02-Mar-13 13:30:46

YANBU at all.

Wikipedia is very big on getting references for all the facts that are stated - you could always use it as a place to find good "real" sources.

Thumbwitch Sat 02-Mar-13 13:27:57

I used to work on a peer-reviewed journal, and someone was asked to do an article for us - while editing this article, something needed checking and I discovered that the author had lifted the entire section from an online source. I then went on to check the rest of the article and around 90% of it was C&Pd from various online sources shock - needless to say it was not printed, and that author was never asked to contribute again!

DD is a 3rd year uni student and has never used a wiki reference, at the start of first year they were informed that any work submitted that had any wiki involvement would not be marked. The threat seems to have worked

cheeseandchive Sat 02-Mar-13 13:25:18

We all have the handbook, I don't understand how people don't know.

Just find it a bit frustrating as I'm doing the lions share of the work (voluntarily, admittedly) and have been really thorough in my researching, but seems a bit pointless if no-one else is doing the same!

lockets maybe I should work with your son!

nickelbabe Sat 02-Mar-13 13:23:25

a copy and paste would be a straight forward disqualification due to plagiarism.
at some unis, they would throw you off your course for that.

hell, i'm reluctant to give wiki as a citation on MN never mind in a degree course!

Groovee Sat 02-Mar-13 13:22:35

My children have both been told in Primary not to use it and dd now at high school has been told not to use it either due to it often being factually incorrect.

Thumbwitch Sat 02-Mar-13 13:18:26

Does your institution not have a student handbook that explains this thoroughly?Along with useful info on plagiarism? Point them in the direction of that, maybe?

cheeseandchive Sat 02-Mar-13 13:18:21

Ahh MrsCosmo, you totally win. Best of luck with that one! wink

Posted too soon...

We are encouraged to use Google Scholar, and expand searches from there.
There are also lots of free papers on PlosOne.

I think you just have to tell them NO!

I'm doing a Masters. Someone on my course used wiki referencing. Aaargh!

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