to worry that some people on benefits won't manage when payments are made monthly

(362 Posts)
SuedeEffectPochette Tue 12-Feb-13 22:08:43

Of course, many people on benefits are doubtless great at managing a budget, but at the moment people are paid weekly, so if money runs out, it's only a day or so (still bad enough). But when payments are monthly, some people may have a couple of weeks of no money - what is going to happen to them? Also Housing Benefit won't be paid direct to landlords any more, which will lead to a massive increase in homelessness if that money is not passed on. If you have run out of money for food, you won't be paying any to your landlord will you? I think the government should stick to weekly payments.

IneedAsockamnesty Sat 16-Feb-13 01:13:53

Wannabe.

I also know several people in the same position as the man you know.and I am extremely concerned for them monthly payments will make them a much bigger target for abuse

TheBigJessie Sat 16-Feb-13 01:07:48

I remember some girls who had just left care at 16-18. They weren't even not bright",. But they had poor numeracy, poor education in general, poor impulse control with any budget over 50p. They blew their fortnightly job-seekers' payment within a few days. A lot like lots of university students! But they had no parents to support them and help them with it all. They ended up in debt, of course.

Those quickloan companies will make a mint out of this.

There will be many people of low intelligence with poor levels of literacy and numeracy who will not be entitled to DLA, and most likely will not have much current involvement with social services. It is this group who will be harmed the most by monthly payments.

I personally know someone who falls into this category. He did have DLA because of his epilepsy but its been taken off him now. He cannot even budget with the weekly payments he gets now. There is no support for him.

Sadly, if people looked at a snapshot of his life they would throw him into the "feckless" category. But they wouldnt see how he gets taken advantage off on a daily basis. How he gets beaten up by his "mates" for money. How they are all laughing at him behind his back but going to his house on a sat night and making him buy them drink while they sit there eating his food.

People like him are getting lost. Not together enough to function in society, but not on the radar of proper diagnoses and support.

We have already had to give him money for food and elec before now. I dread to think what will happen to him because we dont have the money to give. sad

scarlettsmummy2 Fri 15-Feb-13 21:26:27

There will be many people of low intelligence with poor levels of literacy and numeracy who will not be entitled to DLA, and most likely will not have much current involvement with social services. It is this group who will be harmed the most by monthly payments.

TheBigJessie Fri 15-Feb-13 16:44:26

Monthly? Oh dear... I remember (back when I was a hostel resident) how many of my peers couldn't make their money last a fortnight!

This is going to be a disaster for the many vulnerable people on benefits.

motherinferior Fri 15-Feb-13 15:10:19

'there are agencies there to watch out for those situations wanna - social services, charities'...

Have you any idea - any idea - of just how many charities are folding every damn day? Of how many applications for funding cross the desks of grant-making agencies (my partner works for one of these) and have to be turned down because there just isn't the money, and/or because it's clear that'll just be throwing good money into a lost cause? Do you know the grim decisions facing social services, about what to cut and what to up the charges for?

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 13:28:45

Can confirm DLA is going..had a letter yesterday about DS' s DLA. It won't affect him initially as he is under 16 but will become PIP after this.

Even those who have lifetime awards of DLA will be reassessed ubder PIP.

sashh Fri 15-Feb-13 13:08:07

define vulnerable? Those with special needs i.e. learning difficulties then yes but the DLA which covers the majority of their benefits is not changing.

DLA is being scrapped, it will become PIP, and DLA is not the majority benefit. SOmeone with Down's syndrome might get £35 a week.

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 15-Feb-13 10:24:55

People are going to die, muggers are going to have a field day. Dare I say it I predict a riot.

I've always wanted to have a legit reason to say that.

WishIdbeenatigermum Fri 15-Feb-13 08:26:42

There will be deaths. sad

Bogeyface Fri 15-Feb-13 00:26:39

thought

Bogeyface Fri 15-Feb-13 00:25:59

On MN I think alot depends on the political leanings of the first member of "Royalty" to post! Sad but true.

I read your thread and though of The Handmaids Tale, not sure why!

olgaga Fri 15-Feb-13 00:12:46

Blimey, I said as much on this thread and got my head bitten off for being "patronising".

Booyhoo Fri 15-Feb-13 00:09:11

"wanna - but there are agencies there to watch out for those situations wanna - social services, charities"

SS and charities are massively struggling already. they cant cope with the current number of people needing their help and it's going to get worse. dont kid yourself.

and anyway, why should SS and charities be put under increased pressure? it doesn't need to happen. monthly payment DOES NOT NEED TO HAPPEN. it is a cost saving excercise that will end up costing the nation massively, including financially. it is a very short sighted move.

Yes, daily payments for addicts is a great idea.

Bogeyface Fri 15-Feb-13 00:03:01

Wanna daily payments for addicts was suggest above, which I think is a really good idea.

Bogeyface Fri 15-Feb-13 00:02:25

Sorry for the typos, on the pad which I still cant work out the cut/copy&paste on!

How can SS cope with the fall out from this? They are already stretched.

I just think that we have a duty to look after the most vulnerable. And if that means twice monthly or weekly payments for some people, then so be it.

Bogeyface Fri 15-Feb-13 00:00:56

In response to your reply to Wanna, an addict has to be aware of those people. My MIL and my ex BIL weren't/aren't.

Intelligence does change the ability to manage addiction, I said as much myself. But it doesnt change the nature of the addiction, if it did their your late sister would still be with us, as would my MIL sad

cricketballs Thu 14-Feb-13 23:51:56

wanna - but there are agencies there to watch out for those situations wanna - social services, charities

Bogey - my reply was to the post from Scarlet who was questioning that someone who was of a similar intelligence to myself and their how it changes their ability to manage their addiction

Bogeyface Thu 14-Feb-13 23:49:08

My (now ex) BIL (her son) is also an alcoholic and he really is the sort that would go on a 5 day bender on a months money. I saw him walk into my house sober and get totally hammered in half an hour without taking a single drink. Turns out he had down a half bottle of whiskey just before he came round as he knew he wouldnt be able to have a drink while he was here.

He is one of the very people I would expect to be a casualty, literally, of this plan. He would be dead within a year, and that is a generous estimation.

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 14-Feb-13 23:46:36

And for some it could lead to starvation, homelessness, even death.

Bogeyface Thu 14-Feb-13 23:39:35

I was responding to you implying that she wasnt so intelligent if she killed herself with alcohol. I am genuinely sorry that she died. I was with my MIL when she died in ICU after not making it through emergency surgery. The surgery being needed and her death were both a direct result of her alcohol addiction. I saw what it did to her. She knew that she shouldnt be drinking as she did, she knew it would kill her, but she couldnt stop. Thats what addiction is, a total loss of control of the thing you are addicted to.

The surgeon said to me regarding the risks of her anaesthetic ".....a woman of her age......." and I told him she was 56. He said "yes, but she had the body of an 80year old". Thats what drink did to her.

cricketballs Thu 14-Feb-13 23:37:33

maybe though wanna it could be for some

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