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sick of this country, what countries provide a better life for people that live there

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redbobblehat Sat 02-Feb-13 13:55:21

i'm sick of all these cuts backs, and lies from the goverment

so sick of it i'm actually thinking for the first time, i might perher to bugger off and live elsewhere

dh thinks dubai would be a good bet, but i think as a married woman, it's wouldnt be my first choice

so where would be a good bet

comingintomyown Thu 07-Feb-13 11:13:51

OP YABU and childish , I completely agree with Cloudsandtrees post some way back.

grovel Thu 07-Feb-13 10:54:07

The big downside to Sweden is that they use much dill in their cooking. Uuuuurgh!

BadLad Thu 07-Feb-13 00:37:19

The problem in Sweden is that when people commit suicide (in Stockholm at least) they seem to choose to do it at rush hour by throwing themself on the train tracks.

Same for Japan

specialknickers Tue 05-Feb-13 21:01:06

The Netherlands is amazing. Weather's just as rubbish as ours, but here's what you get: cycle lanes, good looking people, a great work/life balance, top quality private health care (financed, for the poor, by the state, genius idea), fair taxation, great social responsibility, everyone speaks English, less loutishness, more fun. I've lived in seven different countries and it was by far the most civilised. Plus - tis only 50 minutes back to the Uk when you're feeling home sick and best of all, you can still get all the bbc tv channels.

I literally miss it every day.

stubbornstains Tue 05-Feb-13 19:47:44

You might get a message in about 5 years dreaming, when you've forgotten all about this convo!

Sadly, I think I have to start making a good profit here first, certainly enough to be able to buy a camper van for some big investigative forays....and then try and build up contacts in France whilst remaining here for a bit.

And then persuade DS, who would be 8 by then hmm...

And I've just got a new boyfriend, who has never even been to France...

God, 20 years ago, I'd have just gone. (Mind you, I did. But then I came back...)

E320 Tue 05-Feb-13 19:30:51

Have lived in Germany for 25 years & feel very at home. Great weather and lifestyle, food has improved immeasurably over time, wonderful, local ingredients etc. etc.
Just spent 18 months in Zurich for work. Dreadful. Police state.
BUT wherever you live, it is what YOU make of it, not what it "offers".
Persoally, if I had to relocate it would be to Luxembourg or Alsace.

honeytea Tue 05-Feb-13 19:19:48

The problem in Sweden is that when people commit suicide (in Stockholm at least) they seem to choose to do it at rush hour by throwing themself on the train tracks. The public transport system then fails and the trains start going to random places. It feels like there is a high suicide rate even though it is maybe only 2-3 times a year that it happens.

cory Tue 05-Feb-13 18:33:41

Just checked out international suicide rates and they make rather interesting reading.

According to WHO information the top countries of the world for suicide are South Korea, Lithuania, Guayana, Kazakhstan, Belarus, China, Japan, Hungary, Latvia, Sri Lanka, Russia and the Ukraine. A lot of the highest rates are found in the former Eastern bloc.

The only Scandinavian country that makes it into the top 30 is Finland (as no 19); Norway and Denmark are no 35 and 36 respectively.

The UK is no 38, a good deal lower than France (24), not to mention Belgium (16).

Sweden is way down the list as no 91.

There are other disadvantages to living in Sweden: they take their shoes off and eat pickled fish and you will have to spend endless hours admiring their DIY. But they don't really commit suicide much.

stubborn I know, it sounds faintly erotic doesn't it??? Ah the French grin

PM me if you decide to go ahead with it, although they have massively streamlined the process it's still a lot of paperwork, although now you can do everything online instead of traipsing around various offices

stubbornstains Mon 04-Feb-13 19:31:39

dreaming grin

(off to look for passport)

Auto-entrepreneur....it sounds so much sexier than self-employed!

I have thought about it and I think that I would happily move:
- back to the UK (London)
- Amsterdam
-San Sebastian
- Copenhagen

Please note that all these places share a kind of weather that would make me pretty miserable grin. Still. They are nice.

slug Mon 04-Feb-13 17:04:27

Country corruption index Looks like Denmark, Finland or NZ are your best options.

stubborn Actually they've changed the self-employment rules in France -- now you register as an auto-entrepreneur and you just pay a flat 23% on your actual earnings. So no taxes until you're earning.

littlecrystal Mon 04-Feb-13 15:54:03

I am not from the England, but have been settled here for the last decade. I love it. I feel like I was born here. I even love the weather, especially those cloudy chilly days – no joke here. I would burn alive in a sandy sunny beach.

I considered moving to the U.S.A., Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Kenya, Singapore for work and life but in the end decided that I will not find better anywhere else.

I am not sure what everyone else is complaining about?

glastocat Mon 04-Feb-13 15:13:16

No where is perfect, and different people like different things, and in my case I seem to like different things at different stages of life. After a hugely dull childhood and uni in a very lovely but troubled country (Ni) I couldn't wait to get out! I spent my 20s and early 30s having a blast in London, but when I had a baby wanted something different so moved to Cork. We've been here for ten years and it has been lovely, especially being on the same island as family (albeit 300 miles away from mine!). But on Wednesday we are off again, to Australia this time! We are lucky to have permanent residency, and are really looking forward to leaving behind the terrible economy here, and of course the weather. I have never been homesick in my life, I wouldn't even know where to be homesick for! grin I have never been a homebody, there is a big beautiful world out there and I want to experience it to the full. We are already joking that we fancy Italy when we retire!

CheerfulYank Mon 04-Feb-13 15:02:04

It really depends on what you're looking for.

I live in a small town in the US. People are friendly, houses are big and cheap, lots of land to get outdoors in, safe streets, etc. DH makes decent money. We're not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but here we can live pretty well on what he makes, and our insurance through his job is good. And we always have hot summers for going to lake cabins (everyone's got one) and swimming/boating, yet lots of snow for Christmas. smile

Now, a bustling nightlife, a diverse population...those things we don't have. You can get to them fairly easily, but it's not a daily thing.

I have friends who live in the city in apartments much smaller and more expensive than my house. They make more money but it doesn't go as far, yet it's worth it to them for the culture, etc.

It's all what you're looking for personally. So if you really want to move I'd look at the top things that are important to you and find a country that's strong in those areas. Because nowhere is absolutely perfect. smile

ukatlast Mon 04-Feb-13 14:59:50

redbobblehat
Since your main source of dissatisfaction seems to be the current Government, can I point out that because you are lucky enough to live in a democracy, you can vote to remove said Government at the next election. They are not ahead in the Polls after all.
I have been an expat in an EU country and in NZ because of my OH's job and can confirm that even with a high expat salary, there is no utopia. The grass isn't always greener and even with a Tory Government, the UK is great.
Most people who leave the UK seem to do so because they read too much Daily Mail and believe it.

Thanks, I thought Swiss banks penchant for discretion was known of www.economist.com/node/21547229

CoteDAzur Mon 04-Feb-13 14:23:24

Franca - I don't think I am an expert, especially on Italian laws.

However, I know quite a bit about finance & banking laws and will happily point out the errors in your posts smile

And, as I said, there was nothing in that link you provided that said Switzerland doesn't cooperate with investigators (as you were claiming).

CoteDAzur Mon 04-Feb-13 14:21:41

Goth - I'm not sure what you are talking about, or even if you know what you are talking about.

"So the OECD blacklisted Monaco just for a lark then?"

From OECD's website:
In a report issued in 2000, the OECD identified a number of jurisdictions as tax havens according to criteria it had established... Seven jurisdictions (Andorra, The Principality of Liechtenstein, Liberia, The Principality of Monaco, The Republic of the Marshall Islands, The Republic of Nauru and The Republic of Vanuatu) did not make commitments to transparency and exchange of information at that time and were identified in April 2002 by the OECD’s Committee on Fiscal Affairs as unco-operative tax havens. All of these jurisdictions subsequently made commitments and were removed from the list of unco-operative tax havens. ... As a result, no jurisdiction is currently listed as an unco-operative tax haven by the Committee on Fiscal Affairs.

So there is no such list now because nobody is on it. What on earth are you talking about? hmm

"And all that money spent on consumption is entirely legally held?"

What does this sentence mean?!? (Is it even English?)

Not "money spent on consumption". I'm talking about VAT ("Value Added Tax") which is levied on prices everyone is charged. It is tax (so good, by your standards, presumably) so yes it is "legally held" by the state.

... unless you are about to say some states aren't legally entitled to tax revenues if they are not "ethical" enough. Please try to argue this, I'd really love to see it smile

Fine, you are the expert then smile

GothAnneGeddes Mon 04-Feb-13 14:05:18

Right. So the OECD blacklisted Monaco just for a lark then?

And all that money spent on consumption is entirely legally held?

CoteDAzur Mon 04-Feb-13 13:59:47

"Countries that have very low rates of tax either have high social inequality, or in the case of Monaco, have been funded by more dubious sources of income"

Your self-assurance in view of an almost-complete lack of information is quite astonishing shock

Monaco's income is mainly from VAT (~ 20%), i.e. from consumption rather than the money you earn but don't spend. Also, about 25% of the country's income is from tourism (Yacht Show, F1 Grand Prix, etc).

"I think I've made my point perfectly well."

It's a bit sad that you seem to think so, but hey ho smile

CoteDAzur Mon 04-Feb-13 13:49:31

Franca - I have read that link, now for the 3rd time, and can't find where it supposedly says Swiss banks don't give info to Italian police.

I suppose that is what you mean by "investigating teams". If there is a crime, police would be involved, and repatriation of the criminal would be demanded.

Anyway, I think your understanding of this issue is incorrect. Switzerland used to distinguish between tax evasion and tax fraud, and only cooperate with investigations into the latter. Since 2009, I think you will find that they cooperate also with investigations into tax evasion for foreign nationals.

Is this still not acceptable? Would you like to try to prevent Italians from becoming Swiss?

Pigsmummy Mon 04-Feb-13 13:43:43

Canada is special, Toronto especially. For the price of a house here you could get a city dwelling and a "cottage" on the lake or mountain (depending if you like skiing/hiking or water side living). They call it a cottage but really they mean their second home. "cottages" can be apartments, chalets, houses etc. You can finish early on a Friday and head there, families have a great quality of life.

I was struck by much happier everyone was there compare to my London colleagues, I would have taken up the offer to relocate to our Toronto office but my Mum was ill and now circumstances have changed.

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