to wonder why bored twats want to troll a site like Mumsnet, of all things.

(139 Posts)
GetOrf Sun 20-Jan-13 19:07:33

'Let's go and wind up some mums'

Aside from the deliberate and nasty trolling of the feminist board, what possesses people to come over here on the wind up?

Is it really that thrilling to get a load of potentially outraged responses from a load of strangers?

Wankers.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 12:27:19

For some reason, I assume most of them are males.
Mind you, works the other way round as well.
Perhaps I should have just said partners.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 12:26:13

I wonder if they tell any girlfriends, that they are trolls.

MelodyBaker Mon 21-Jan-13 11:32:22

I think troll have nothing better too do. Come here and upset people.
If we follow the guidelines and dont troll hunt maybe they will go away. No reaction may be the best idea

AnyFucker Mon 21-Jan-13 11:08:27

Randall, just a very small twinge, honest smile

RandallPinkFloyd Mon 21-Jan-13 11:06:58

Ooh, AF that must have even painful to say! grin

Helen's right though, when you're at your most vulnerable being called a troll is about as demoralising as it gets.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 11:06:45

Oh well [shrugs]
Perhaps it is a rubbish idea then!

manicbmc Mon 21-Jan-13 11:06:40

Just report if you suspect a troll and let those in the know deal with it.

The trolls are such sad individuals.

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 11:05:26

AnyFucker

No, no, no, AMY. I think it's a very bad idea to appoint official "troll hunters". For a start it would make you very unpopular (oh, here she comes again, who does she think she is etc) and there is still the chance of getting it wrong.

Only HQ with their extra info about whatever they have extra info about (they won't tell us see..?) can know for sure. Leave it to them. I understand that is a bit hypocritical of me as I have been banned for troll hunting before, but when I think about it rationally (not in the red mist of spotting yet another wind up merchant) it makes perfect sense smile

Thank you, AnyF.

And yes, we agree.

AnyFucker Mon 21-Jan-13 11:03:07

No, no, no, AMY. I think it's a very bad idea to appoint official "troll hunters". For a start it would make you very unpopular (oh, here she comes again, who does she think she is etc) and there is still the chance of getting it wrong.

Only HQ with their extra info about whatever they have extra info about (they won't tell us see..?) can know for sure. Leave it to them. I understand that is a bit hypocritical of me as I have been banned for troll hunting before, but when I think about it rationally (not in the red mist of spotting yet another wind up merchant) it makes perfect sense smile

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 11:00:18

amillionyears

Yes but...
Not meaning to be awkward, but when "troll" is called, it is normally right I would say 90% of the time. You obviously know the real figures on this.

so
1. It stops giving lots of oxygen to a troll, which is what they want.
2.It stops posters wasting their time, energy, and in some cases, saying things they may not otherwise have revealed.
3. I appreciate your point one, but I think the advantages of just one person calling troll outweigh the disadvantages. And if the poster was genuine, sometimes others can see it and carrying on posting. And after time, everyone would know the rules including genuine posters, and hopefully shouldnt get too upset.

Obviously this is your call.
But tbh, having troll after troll on your site, can get a bit upset for the thousands of genuine posters on your site too.

It actually happens a lot, amillionyears - the calling troll when it isn't or might not be. It's even happened to a couple of us at MNHQ.

And as we have always said, and continue to believe is right, we would always rather err on the side of giving folks the benefit of the doubt, and risk being made to look a bit foolish once in a while, than pounce on someone who may turn out to be genuinely in need of help.

And (if it is actually a troll) NOTHING give lots of oxygen to a troll better than shouting "troll" all over their thread. They'd be rubbing their hooves in glee at all the hoohah they're causing.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 10:55:39

Had an idea.
Not sure whether it is a brainwave or rubbish!
Havent totally thought it all through.
How about, if you let certain posters only call troll. Those, like AF, who say they are very good at troll spotting. They wouldnt even have to say the word troll, they could have a special sentence to say[not sure the point of that exactly, like I say, I havent thought this all through currently]

If everyone knew this, that say, 40? regular and good troll spotting posters were allowed by MNHQ to say troll or whatever, would a scheme like that work?

GetOrf Mon 21-Jan-13 10:52:09

One of our little friends posted a comment on this thread (deleted) which was just hideous - full of hatred for women/mothers. Horrible.

baremadness Mon 21-Jan-13 10:50:27

Manic the most disturbing bit is that, from the contents of some of theor posts, i suspect that at least some of yesterdays little lovelies were in their 20s and 30s. Teens I can kind of understand...

GetOrf Mon 21-Jan-13 10:48:46

Thanks very much Helen.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 10:46:13

Yes but...
Not meaning to be awkward, but when "troll" is called, it is normally right I would say 90% of the time. You obviously know the real figures on this.

so
1. It stops giving lots of oxygen to a troll, which is what they want.
2.It stops posters wasting their time, energy, and in some cases, saying things they may not otherwise have revealed.
3. I appreciate your point one, but I think the advantages of just one person calling troll outweigh the disadvantages. And if the poster was genuine, sometimes others can see it and carrying on posting. And after time, everyone would know the rules including genuine posters, and hopefully shouldnt get too upset.

Obviously this is your call.
But tbh, having troll after troll on your site, can get a bit upset for the thousands of genuine posters on your site too.

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 10:45:25

AnyFucker

Helen, yep

Marvellous! Ta v much. #trollteamwork

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 10:44:57

baremadness

Manic the most disturbing bit is that, from the contents of some of theor posts, i suspect that at least some of yesterdays little lovelies were in their 20s and 30s. Teens I can kind of understand...

Yes. Weird, huh? They should all be back under their bridges now, though, we hope. Please do report any possible stragglers to us.

baremadness Mon 21-Jan-13 10:42:20

Manic the most disturbing bit is that, from the contents of some of theor posts, i suspect that at least some of yesterdays little lovelies were in their 20s and 30s. Teens I can kind of understand...

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 10:38:47

amillionyears

I am still of the opinion, rightly or wrongly, that when a troll is suspected, that at least one person should say so.
to help some people like me, to be alert
I sometimes spot them, and occasionally before others, but other times dont spot them. [I am a bit of a mixed bag in this respect].

No, that would SERIOUSLY break our site rules, amillionyears. Voicing the opinion that any poster is/may be a troll is trollhunting and breaks our Talk Guidelines.

It's not helpful for two reasons:

* 1. If the poster under suspicion is not a troll, it can be hugely upsetting. Trollhunting of genuine MNers has happened, and we know from our inbox how hurtful this can be.

* 2. Voicing your suspicions on the thread won't do anything to hasten the poster's removal from MN, if they are indeed a troll. The only way to make that happen (if it needs to happen) is to report the poster to us at MNHQ.

manicbmc Mon 21-Jan-13 10:35:39

There have been so many over the weekend. I blame the weather and bored teens.

I reported a few threads and individuals yesterday.

amillionyears Mon 21-Jan-13 10:33:40

I am still of the opinion, rightly or wrongly, that when a troll is suspected, that at least one person should say so.
to help some people like me, to be alert
I sometimes spot them, and occasionally before others, but other times dont spot them. [I am a bit of a mixed bag in this respect].

MotherSuperiorHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 21-Jan-13 10:27:41

GetOrf

Helen - I know it is a moot point and probably no. 865294 of the most important things in my life to worry about, but it is a bit annoying where a thread is deleted with an annoyed comment 'this was full of troll hunting'. It was full of people being exasperated, but I (and others presumably) reported it, and it actually was full of trolls. So people play by the rules and still feel like naughty children when we haven't actually done anything wrong. Just tried to have a conversation like normal people and avoid the complete lunchpackets who troll the site.

Yes, GetOrf, I'm glad you brought that up.

The wrong deletion message was put on that thread (unfortunately, at the moment, we have no way to retrieve and edit them if the wrong message is put out initially).

But, just fyi, we would always hope to say in the deletion message/in our post before deleting if we know the hairy of hand have been at work.

Apols for the cock-up last night.

GetOrf Mon 21-Jan-13 10:24:27

Helen - I know it is a moot point and probably no. 865294 of the most important things in my life to worry about, but it is a bit annoying where a thread is deleted with an annoyed comment 'this was full of troll hunting'. It was full of people being exasperated, but I (and others presumably) reported it, and it actually was full of trolls. So people play by the rules and still feel like naughty children when we haven't actually done anything wrong. Just tried to have a conversation like normal people and avoid the complete lunchpackets who troll the site.

AnyFucker Mon 21-Jan-13 09:13:18

Helen, yep

RandallPinkFloyd Mon 21-Jan-13 09:12:20

Applauds hec

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