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to be concerned by how much support Nigel Farage

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FreudiansSlipper Thu 17-Jan-13 23:20:30

Seems to be getting on Question Time

It's worrying how much support UKIP are getting

tuonela Fri 18-Jan-13 16:17:18

Yes, EldritchCleavage, I agree, assume you mean Christine Lagarde though.

I find it scary that Lagarde earns hundreds of thousands and does not pay a penny in tax and yet, cushioned from reality within the EU elite bubble, accuses the Greek people of dodging tax. The Greeks really are in trouble, many are genuinely destitute and impoverished, and yet Lagarde fails to see the sickening hypocrisy of her comments.

EldritchCleavage Fri 18-Jan-13 16:40:35

Oh sorry, she annoys me so much I always get her name wrong.

Lottie13 Fri 18-Jan-13 17:33:42

Christine Lagarde has nothing to do with the EU. She works for the IMF - a UN institution. Or would you like to withdraw from the UN too?

ConferencePear Fri 18-Jan-13 17:42:22

If you had tried to find a school for your children when you had recently changed your job to one in a northern town or city you might find Farage's views a little less frightening.

manicbmc Fri 18-Jan-13 18:07:33

Yes, because finding a school is soooo important compared to protecting the disabled from this evil party's ideals. hmm

Also euthanising the over 80s - is that okay?

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

tuonela Fri 18-Jan-13 18:12:49

Christine Lagarde has nothing to do with the EU? Have you heard of the European Central Bank (ECB) and the European Commission (EC). Are you aware of the austerity measures drawn up by these three bodies, designed to prop up the superstate you're under the delusion Lagarde has nothing to do with?

tuonela Fri 18-Jan-13 18:21:31

Protecting the disabled and euthanising the over 80s?

Maybe you can support this baseless propaganda?

Do you mean giving those who are suffering terminal illness the right to die? If so, please...

manicbmc Fri 18-Jan-13 18:25:36

No, general euthanasia policy for the over 80s.

Putting the disabled into commune type things but really it's about 'containing' them.

Sterilising the disabled.

They are not nice people. The middle class version of the BNP.

And yes, I do agree about there being a proper policy/law on the right to die but it shouldn't be a blanket over 80 law. That is just wrong.

hazeyjane Fri 18-Jan-13 18:41:31

"· Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people with learning
disabilities......

........· Abandon the policy of ‘inclusion’ and allow
parents to chose special schools for children with
learning disabilities"

Both quotes from the UKIP manifesto - 'communities' for disabled people and discouraging disabled children from attending mainstream schools. Great party (heavy on the sarcasm)

ConferencePear Fri 18-Jan-13 19:29:55

I was not suggesting that we all rush out and vote UKIP. It is difficult not to worry about immigrtion when you are desperate to find a child a new school i a new town because the schools are already full to overflowing.
Manicbmc if you are going to quote Neimoller you might at least quote him correctly. To expect that ordinary UK citizens should not find it almost impossibily difficult to find a school in no way advicates euthanasia for the elderly or any of the other things you suggest.

Lottie13 Fri 18-Jan-13 19:33:53

Dear Tuonela - I'm aware of both the ECB and the Commission - both are EU Institutions. My point was simply that the IMF is not an EU Institution. I'm not aware of all the details of the UKIP policy manifesto. If it really opposes membership of the IMF - an international body to which all UN members are party - then that's taking nationalism to a new high. Are you aware that the IMF is generally involved in all instances where States risk defaulting on loans. Like Argentina - which has nothing to do with the EU. And as for austerity, isn't that also the policy of our current government. That income and outgoings need to correlate?

manicbmc Fri 18-Jan-13 19:51:36

It's one of the versions of that poem attributed to Neimoller.

sukysue Fri 18-Jan-13 20:25:13

That Mary Beard is Professor of Classics at the University of Cambridge. She is the Classics editor of the Times Literary Supplement and I cannot believe how the hell she is able to hold a job like that down. Did you see her? Did you listen to her?As for Nigel well I don't like politicians at all, every one of them out for themselves but he has hit on a worry for me , how will we cope with the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians in December? I know we don't own Britain but when they are cutting services in the nhs and ppl are waiting for a bed on a trolley in an ac/em corridor for 23 hours before being shunted off to an 'assessment ward' to manipulate the govt figures then it is worrying AND SOMETHING EVERYONE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

determinedma Fri 18-Jan-13 20:32:56

UKIP are picking up votes because people are sick to death of the alternatives. At least UKIP say what the policies are and you can like it or lump it. However they won't gain many seats, as they will just split the main party vote.

sukysue Fri 18-Jan-13 20:39:54

Do you think so well what will that mean another bloody coalition?

ConferencePear Fri 18-Jan-13 21:03:56

Sukysue you have explained what I wanted to say more clearly than I did.
I don't agree with your general remarks about Mary though;I usually like her. I think that report she had read (good girl done her homework) has written by a load of Boston bureaucrats who didn't want to admit they had not handle the influx of immigrants into their town very well.
I think they will pick up votes next time and we'll get another coalition Possible even worse than this one.

BunFagFreddie Fri 18-Jan-13 21:40:33

Careful Sukysue. Anyone who dares to question our immigration policy is now a massive racist.

sukysue Fri 18-Jan-13 21:48:51

Is it possible to get a worse coalition than this one ?
As for Mary well yes she may have done her homework but..... as a professer at Cambridge I would have expected her to have a more rounded and better researched opinion on the topic, I felt she was made to look stupid, after all when you write an assignment for uni you have to give the world and his wife's opinion except for your own!
I am genuinely worried about the influx of more ppl. I really don't know how we as a country are going to cope. I want to help everyone but realistically we can't. I just feel helpless ,our worries are not being listened to, we are branded as racists for expressing a real worry. What is going to happen? What can we do?

sukysue Fri 18-Jan-13 21:53:44

I'm not a racist Freddie just a worried wife and mum who doesn't know which way to turn. It looks like we are a rudderless country.

ComposHat Fri 18-Jan-13 21:56:15

Careful Sukysue. Anyone who dares to question our immigration policy is now a massive racist

Funny thing is, they usually are.

They normall start conversations along the lines of...

I'm not a racist BUT...
I've got Black friends BUT...

Say what you like about the BNP/EDL at least they have the courage of their convictions and don't pretend to be anything but racist, homophobic, mysognostic shitstains and don't cloak their inherent bigotry in meely mouthed -wink wink- language.

PeneloPeePitstop Fri 18-Jan-13 21:57:59

YANBU.
I can see so many similarities with Germany in the 1930s that it's frightening.

Right down to entire groups of people being demonised due to their nationality, faith or disability.

mumzy Fri 18-Jan-13 21:59:10

Farage seems more in touch with the experiences of a lot of Britons who have had to live with the consequences of the mass uncontrolled immigration over the past 10 years. I doubt Millibrand / Cameron have even been touched by this issue and I find their reassurances loathsome.

mumzy Fri 18-Jan-13 22:07:16

I don't think questioning immigration policy is racist (speaking as a first generation immigrant myself). IMO controlled immigration and a robust asylum system are good things for a country but uncontrolled immigration usually results in inadequate integration which is bad for both the immigrants and the indigenious population.

ConferencePear Fri 18-Jan-13 22:10:01

Another thing that worries me is the effect of the lack of housing. Not too far away from where I live they are proposing to build on Grade 1 agricultural land. At a time when we are almost entirely dependent on the rest of the world for our energy supplies with all the effect that has had on our bills, I think it's madness to go further down that road with regard to our food supplies. No-one seems to be doing any joined up thinking.

ComposHat Fri 18-Jan-13 22:13:17

Farage 'man of the people' act is utter bullshit. He is a privately educated ex stockbroker, who has pocketed two million pounds from the EU an institution he claims to dispise.

Ed Milliband has never been touched by issues related to immigration? Really? You do know that his parents are refugees from the Holocaust don't you.

Why not head over to the Daily Mail boards mumzy? You'd like it there, along with the unthinking ill-informed spiteful bullshit there are also pictures of WAGs 'flaunting their enviable curves.'

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