to think climete change is a pile of bollocks?

(299 Posts)
moogy1a Thu 27-Dec-12 22:57:39

Summers in Britain to get colder and wetter

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20758780

earlier this year," oh no, they're going to get hotter and drier"
www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9038988/Climate-change-will-make-UK-new-holiday-destination.html

climate change scients cherry pick the data they need to fit whatever political agenda they need it to fit.
If you start looking into reports, they are a huge mess of completely contradictory results.
I also like the way the term"global warming" has been quietly ditched in favour of climate change as it became increasingly obvious the world wasn't hotting up.

DoubleYew Thu 27-Dec-12 22:59:17

Rubbish. My mum is one of those scientists. Are you insulting my mum? ARE YOU?

kim147 Thu 27-Dec-12 23:00:22

The average global temperature is getting warmer.
This will have a lot of effects on the climate, ice, the gulf stream etc leading to more unpredictable weather.

Unpredictable being the word.

moogy1a Thu 27-Dec-12 23:01:03

Possibly. Is she one who's saying we're heating up or cooling down( or staying roughly the same?)

YABU to base any assumption that is based on scientific research on reports pulled from popular media outlets.

Also, global warming & climate change are not interchangeable terms.

Put simply for the cheap seats, it could go one of two ways.

1. We retain the Gulf Stream = warmer and wetter, sea levels rise

2. We lose the Gulf Stream and freeze to fucking death but the world overall gets warmer

Conclusion - we're fucked either way.

Hth

moogy1a Thu 27-Dec-12 23:03:52

lots of researchers now say the average global temp. isn't increasing; some say it's decreasing, some say it's about the same it's always been.
I think there's a huge bandwagon of funding/politics happened in the last 20 years or so that lots of people have jumped on with little concrete evidence .

moogy1a Thu 27-Dec-12 23:05:22

YABU to base any assumption that is based on scientific research on reports pulled from popular media outlets
they're reporting scintific conclusions, not doing the researcg themselves in the newspaper offices!

FestiveWench Thu 27-Dec-12 23:05:35

You do know that science and journalism are different things, right?

WorraLorraTurkey Thu 27-Dec-12 23:06:51

I have my own theory...based on fuck all but it's still my theory grin

I think everything goes full circle...weeks, months, seasons and extremes in climates.

The weather was probably like this thousands of years ago and now it's come full circle again.

Like I say...based on fuck all but there you go grin

Ifyoulike Thu 27-Dec-12 23:07:16

I'm no expert, but I do think its very difficult to get a sense of context, when as far as I can tell, the planet has been changing dramatically since day one.

Having read Bill Bryson's 'A Brief History of Everything', and a few visits to the Natural History museum (pretty much the extent of my climate knowledge), it seems to me like planet Earth is as climatically bipolar as it is possible to get... swinging from one extreme to the other at random, over random time periods, wiping out masses of species in the process just for kicks.

I don't know why anyone thinks the weather should be predictable!

moogy1a Thu 27-Dec-12 23:07:27

I worked in science research for many years. How it works is sciencey type people release statements to the press who print them.

tigerdriverII Thu 27-Dec-12 23:09:08

Well what is the evidence from the UK in the last, say, 3 years. It's wet and fucking freezing most of the time....

Tweasels Thu 27-Dec-12 23:10:59

Science though int it.

That's the point. People continually experiment/investigate and report back. It's ongoing, continual, therefore changing all the time.

Very often misrepresented in the media, thems the ones who cherry pick.

You cannot seriously dismiss climate change based on 2 media reports. I don't doubt there will be some political agenda at times but the research itself is not to blame it's how the findings are used.

jessjessjess Thu 27-Dec-12 23:12:07

I think you should ask the polar bears what they think of your "argument".

LineRunner Thu 27-Dec-12 23:12:12

OP, you know you wrote 'climete' in your thread heading? It doesn't look great tbh.

MerryLindor Thu 27-Dec-12 23:20:38

I don't know enough about this to make any pronouncements other than to say that most of the leading climate scientists agree that the climate is changing.

I'm reading Mary Robinson's book at the moment and she writes very convincingly about the issues facing our planet - and we are not talking of polar bears.

I think too many people read half arsed articles in the press and base their opinions on that, rather than taking the time to research an issue properly.

kim147 Thu 27-Dec-12 23:22:44

Interesting Today programme today - guest editor was the Head of the Royal Society. There was an interesting debate on the reporting of science in the media.

Good talk about the MMR vaccine - scientists who could not be definitive vs anxious mums. Who wins?

MerryLindor Thu 27-Dec-12 23:23:21

if you want to read up on this I found this helpful. Am working my way through it.

Pandemoniaa Thu 27-Dec-12 23:31:48

they're reporting scintific conclusions, not doing the researcg themselves in the newspaper offices!

Well no. Speaking as a former sub-editor, it is highly likely that a press release has been cut and pasted into however many column's worth it'll fit. Which can lead to interesting but not necessarily scientifically valid conclusions.

Also, YABU in not recognising the difference between weather and climate.

analogue Thu 27-Dec-12 23:35:39

The climate probably is changing just as it has always done. The Sahara was only created 4000 years ago and we're still apparantly in the last ice age. A couple of hundred years of burning coal is probably not the culprit this time round either!

TuftyFinch Thu 27-Dec-12 23:35:40

I don't think it's a 'load of blocks' (are you my dad?) but the world is constantly changing.
if it didn't change we wouldn't be here and dinosaurs would still be roaming about.
but.
it is changing and soon it will eat itself and US with it.
The poor old polar bears will either adapt. or die.
Once upon a time there were no polar bears. Soon there may be no polar bears again.
I don't think that's bollocks.
Some people dedicate their lives to working out how we can stop sucking it all up.
Unfortunately not enough people listen. Or care.

Meglet Thu 27-Dec-12 23:35:59

They said that if the Gulf Stream shifts then we'll get a wetter / colder climate didn't they. IMO it's already happened.

Ifyoulike Thu 27-Dec-12 23:36:33

Oh god <facepalm> , I just used weather and climate as interchangeable. Its horrible when you are the source of your own annoyance!

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