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AIBU?

To say, "WHAT?! No. NO!! Have you lost your MIND??!?!"

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ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 13:00

I have a tale to tell. It is unlikely those involved will see it, but just in case I have name changed. I desperately need some advice.

My cousin separated from her DH some years ago, and has brought her daughters up alone, with some support from their father. They are 12 and 15. They visit their father every other weekend; he's an OK chap, and loves them, but has rather a tempestuous relationship with his partner (violent from both sides, so I gather) and can be argumentative, and often drunk and/or stoned. The girls find it a troublesome and unsettling atmosphere, but love their Dad.

8 years ago, my cousin had 3 dates with a chap we'll call Bill. It didn't quite work out, and she moved in with another man. She separated from him recently. He had been her daughters' stepfather for seven years.

Last month, my cousin travelled to New Zealand to see her brother, and took her daughters with her. Whilst there, she hooked up with Bill, after an 8 year hiatus. She claims she didn't know he'd be there (which I doubt, but perhaps she is telling the truth), when in fact he is her brother's neighbour and close friend. I understand from her daughters that rather than spend time with her brother, whom she had travelled so far to see, my cousin spent every other night with Bill, and many of the days.

She returned from NZ last weekend - and she says that she is going to move to NZ to be with Bill. There has been a great deal of the usual "I have never felt this way before" business, and "Shall I show you his picture?", followed by soppy shot of two smiling middle-aged people on her iPhone. Her daughters are in school, and are adamant that they will not move to the other side of the world, leaving behind their father, their grandparents, their friends etc. The elder daughter is particularly devastated and not speaking to her mother, and has moved in with her father. The younger daughter said to me, "I just can't believe it. It's like we don't matter at all."

My cousin says that if her daughters refuse to go, she will leave them, and move to NZ to be with Bill. Bear in mind that she had 3 dates with him 8 years ago, and since then has known him for a month. They would move in with their father, whose home life they find rather threatening and unstable, and who would suddenly have five children living in a small house.

I understand that one can be swept off one's feet; it has happened to me. I understand the power and overwhelming sensation of sexual attraction. I understand that there are reasons we all still read Madame Bovary and Jane Eyre. But this isn't a novel; this isn't even Hollyoaks. This is the possibility that two youngsters will lose their mother, for a childish infatuation that may fade within eighteen months. I am 32 years old and sometimes I need my Mum, and she lives 50 miles away, and it seems to far.

Furthermore, it struck me this morning that this cannot be a good man. Who would ask a mother to leave her children several thousand miles behind? He should practically forbid it, if he has any compassion or wisdom.

She has asked my opinion. I want to say, "Are you totally off your rocker? You're really going to leave your children on the other side of the world for an infatuation with a man whom you hardly know? Have you any idea how selfish you sound?!"

AIBU?

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alicet · 31/08/2010 13:03

YANBU at all. But don't expect it to go down well.

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kreecherlivesupstairs · 31/08/2010 13:04

I don't think YABU. Your cousin sounds a sandwich short of a picnic IMO. To me, it sounds as if she needs the attention of a man and isn't worried about her children suffering. Practically, who will pay for them to get there? Where will they live? How will she support herself if her new relationship with Bill goes tits up. She needs to be thinking about these things as well as considering her children's schooling etc.

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Headbanger · 31/08/2010 13:05

Shock

YANBU!

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RonansMummy · 31/08/2010 13:05

"Are you totally off your rocker? You're really going to leave your children on the other side of the world for an infatuation with a man whom you hardly know? Have you any idea how selfish you sound?!"

That sounds perfect.

YADDDDDDDDDNBU!

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BuntyPenfold · 31/08/2010 13:05

Ditto alicet

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MrsFC · 31/08/2010 13:07

Crickey. I think what astonishes me the most is that she needs to ASK your opinion. She really has NO IDEA that she is BU??

I'm not sure he is a inherently a bad man though. Some men are just so completely self absorbed it doesn't occur to them that anyone could possibly think about someone other than themselves...

What was your initial first response when she asked you what you thought?

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AbsOfCroissant · 31/08/2010 13:07

YANBU. The woman sounds barking/self-absorbed

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OrmRenewed · 31/08/2010 13:08

Agreed. She is mad. YANBU. No man is worth that.

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notyummy · 31/08/2010 13:08

My gut feeling initially was to agree with you, however there may be slightly more to it.

She obviously has fmaily over there rather then just bf. Is the quality of life attractive to her - could she get a job. If the answer if yes, then perhaps this could be a positive move for her family - at 12 and 15 her children are programmed to hate change like this and rebel against it.

BUT - there is no excuse for making her children feel like they are not the most important factor in this decision. Making a snap decision to move, and saying that they can stay here if they don't like is cruel and immature. She is the adult, and should be working out a slow, responsible way of developing this a possible future - having new bf over here to develop a relationship with children/looking at whether she can work in NZ etc. It sounds like she is caught up in a romantic swirl and is not being a parent. I wouldn't shout at her, as you could then lose her ear and a chance to influence on behalf of her daughters. I would ask her some very pointed questions though.

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colditz · 31/08/2010 13:09

Say it.

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ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 13:10

Thanks chaps.

Kreecher all of that stuff did occur to me when we first spoke. she kept saying, "If they stay behind I can go and see them, they can come and see me", etc. etc.. As though it were a return ticket to Upminster, and not thousands of pounds for thousands of miles!

MrsFC my first response was to say exactly what RonansMummy v. kindly said was perfect. But I love her - we are close, and I admire her enormously for the way she brought her DDs up under very difficult circumstances. So I bit my tongue and phrased everything very nicely and emolliently but the more I think about it, the more I wish I'd given it both barrels.

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MrsMerlothasabadhead · 31/08/2010 13:11

YANBU in the slightest. She can't actually be serious? Shes willing to abandon her children and move halfway around the world to live with someone she has known for a month?!

It is like something out of a soap isn't it.

Do you think there is actually a possibility of this becoming a reality, or is it something she talks about and would like to happen but wouldn't actually follow through?

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ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 13:14

Thanks notyummy (but I bet you are!). yes, I know I should think around it a little more. She is very close to her brother (or was before they emigrated), and I know she perhaps feels that life here hasn't worked for her (2 failed relationships etc.). I am not at all sure she could get a job out there though - visas are v. hard to get hold of and she's not an educated professional or one of the really useful trades/skills they like. You're right, I shouldn't shout (nor would I) but someone has to break through this...

MrsMerlot sorry about your headache. I'm not sure about it becoming real. I'm just not sure. He is coming over here for a month I understand - whether that will cure her or make her more determined I don't know. I don't want to meet him myself: I may not shout at her but by god I'd give him a piece of my mind.

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Marjee · 31/08/2010 13:18

Yanbu, as shes asked your opinion you should tell her what you think. This might just be a passing dream that she'll snap out of soon

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prozacfairy · 31/08/2010 13:21

YANBU. It amazes me that some parents can be this selfish.

I dated a bloke last summer but it didn't work out for loads of reasons but one was because I couldn't get passed his blase attitude to his DS. Was only for a very short time so didn't meet each others DC but when he said "I don't give a shit if he likes you or not, you're sleeping with me, not him" I knew it was curtains.

By all means try to bring this silly woman back down to earth but you'll probably have a battle on your hands...

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Rockbird · 31/08/2010 13:22

She sounds like a fruitcake so your initial reaction is spot on! But I would assume that it takes a certain amount of time to arrange to up sticks and move to NZ so hopefully another infatuation will take its place before she gets in too deep.

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sarah293 · 31/08/2010 13:23

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ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 13:24

Thanks so much for the advice and reassurance. I'm going off-line for a bit to feed the Aged Ps but will be back later. Rockbird your point about it taking a while to arrange has cheered me no end...

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Poledra · 31/08/2010 13:24

Can I ask, does this bloke actually know that she plans on upping sticks and moving to be with him?

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Miggsie · 31/08/2010 13:26

NZ won't let her stay unless she marries this Bill bloke, they are very strict about these things.

At best she'll get a visitors visa and then if she overstays, they'll throw her out.

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Librashavinganotherbiscuit · 31/08/2010 13:27

Well personally I think you are being too nice, if the situation is as you have described it then I think the appropriate and succient phrase would be "are you fucking nuts?" which should tell her exactly what you are thinking without having to waste too much of your breath, because unfortunately i think whatever you do say would be a waste of breath as she is clearly nuts.

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MrsMerlothasabadhead · 31/08/2010 13:28

Now I've thought about it notyummy makes a lot of sense. So I think perhaps you should shout it at her to get it out of your system, then sit and talk properly about her reasons Wink

Sounds possible to me that she might have had itchy feet to move before the holiday, and the whirlwind romance was the deciding factor. Even so shes being a little selfish in her ways of broaching the subject with her dcs.

Just being nosey now but out of interest if this did go ahead and the dcs did stay, wouldn't they want to live with their step father? if they are 12 and 15 and hes been in their life for seven years I would have thought that would be a more sensible option than a drunk/drug addict biological father prone to violence.

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comtessa · 31/08/2010 13:29

Yep, visas will be the tricky thing which should keep her here, not to mention the cost of flights etc.

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Miggsie · 31/08/2010 13:32

My friend emigrated to NZ, she was married to a NZ bloke who had a NZ passport, although he'd lived in the UK for a while.
It took over 9 months to get the visa for her to go. She was entitled to no benefits as a non NZ resident, no state pension etc etc.

They have now moved back as she hated it there and could only see her family every 2 years due to the cost of travel.

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nomedoit · 31/08/2010 13:33

Oh God, my SIL has done much the same thing only in the same country. Moved in and is now arranging to marry a man she met 6 weeks ago. She has left her 2 children with GP's. Now she barely speaks to her DD who is devastated. She had been alone for a long time and plainly feels it is her right to have some passion in her life. They both sound the same, it is a stupid infatuation. Why the hurry?
I wouldn't indulge her by going along with it but also it will only put her back up if you are too confrontational. Why not engage her in a conversation about the practicalities eg. cost of visa etc.

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