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to have no sympathy with Chris Huhne

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greenfolder Mon 04-Feb-13 23:18:08

And think that he should repay at least his last yeArs MP salary? He has lied for 10 years and has had a full years pay since being charged. Then he changes his plea at the last possible moment. All his colleagues seem to be expressing sympathy

What am I missing?

Stonefield Mon 04-Feb-13 23:20:01

I agree with you, he's a despicable man. Good riddance, he's likely to get a prison sentence and rightly so.

ComposHat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:42:35

No I have no sympathy for him and not much more for his ex-wife.

andubelievedthat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:44:49

agreed, but he will be on the backbenches 4 a couple of years then be given a ministerial position, he will be contrite ,he will defer to the public ,but, he will rise again cos he is part of an elite club.we can only watch and wonder.(what to tell our children)

ComposHat Mon 04-Feb-13 23:48:29

agreed, but he will be on the backbenches 4 a couple of years then be given a ministerial position,

He's resigned as an MP. I think that even Lazarus would struggle to make it back into cabinet.

Pedallleur Tue 05-Feb-13 08:17:31

Never held Peter Mandelson back. Euro Commissioner and 2 Cabinet posts?

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:33:20

Afaik mandelson was in breach of code of conduct/ethics but didn't do anything criminal.

And no I have little sympathy with him .

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:34:26

Jeffrey archer and Jonathan aitken didn't make a comeback after serving time afaik.

Sugarice Tue 05-Feb-13 08:36:32

Chris Huhne was brought down by his own monstrous ego.

I have no sympathy whatsoever, not only has he ruined his own career, he showed scant regard towards his then Wife pressing her to take the blame and he has caused huge anguish for his children, particularly his Son who is all over the press.

I hope he never comes back into a position of power where he is able to lecture the rest of us!

BlueberryHill Tue 05-Feb-13 08:42:17

What will become of the millionaire businessman, my heart bleeds.

I feel sorry for his family, mixed feelings about his ex wife, it is awful for your husband to have an affair and have it played out across the media but she shouldn't have taken his speeding points.

I don't see how he can have a comeback in politics, with a criminal conviction and he is very likely to have a prison sentence. However Jeffrey
Archer has continued to write books and Jonathan Aitken discovered God.

Orwellian Tue 05-Feb-13 08:48:14

YANBU. He epitomises all that is wrong with politicians these days. Self serving, greedy, immoral people who are obsessed with money and power and he was supposedly a Lib Dem!

I do feel sorry for his son though, who sounds like he has a better grounding of morals and more integrity in his little finger than his father has in his whole body.

Sugarice Tue 05-Feb-13 08:49:02

Gigondas didn't Mandelson make a false declaration to his mortgage provider when buying that swanky house. That was criminal yet wasn't pursued sadly.

Goes to show how power can yield influence in high places. angry

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 05-Feb-13 08:54:37

I've no sympathy either but don't see why he should pay back his salary. He did a very stupid thing relying on a woman keeping a secret who he subsequently went on to betray. Didn't affect his work as far as I know.

Gigondas Tue 05-Feb-13 08:54:50

You are right sugarice- but as you say didn't get charged which is why I didn't remember.

I do feel very sorry for the son.

TheCatIsEatingIt Tue 05-Feb-13 08:55:53

I agree with Cogito. I have no sympathy with him, but he's earnt his salary for doing his job. No connection.

I do feel sorry for the son.

I have no sympathy for Chris Huhne.

I have no sympathy for the wife either in regard to the case and will be disappointed if she gets off and he doesn't, because she knew what she was doing. I do have sympathy for her in regard to her husband's betrayal.

I seem to recall a thread only recently where a man was pressuring his wife to take his speeding points in AIBU and there were a lot of posters who felt she SHOULD take his points. Hopefully this case will show why no one should take anyone else's points or punishments.

hackmum Tue 05-Feb-13 08:59:17

I feel a little bit sorry for him, but then only because I'm one of those people who feels sorry for practically everyone, however appalling.

I agree what he did was terrible: the original offence was pretty bad (69mph on a 50mph road), getting your wife to take the points is despicable, then lying to the press and police about it over the course of a year instead of just owning up is both cowardly and morally wrong. I suppose I feel a tiny bit sorry because of those texts his son sent him. I would hate if if my DD ever hated me that much.

trixymalixy Tue 05-Feb-13 09:01:01

I have no sympathy either. I feel sorry for his son.

Lostonthemoors Tue 05-Feb-13 09:04:20

I'm sympathetic to human folly and hopefully humble enough to think there but for the grace of god sad

I think what he did was appalling, but yes I do feel sorry for him - by his own stupid actions he has alienated his son, broken up his family, ruined his career and will now probably get a custodial sentence.

I have no sympathy for him and I have no sympathy for his ex-wife. She was happy to take the points while they were married but when he cheated on her and publicly humiliated her like a bastard thought she would get her own back by creating a scandal in tawdry blogs by spilling the beans about accepting the points. They both committed criminal acts and should both be punished.

However I'm not sure why either of them should lose any salary, they both did their jobs. There's a nasty element in society at the moment where when people do wrong they are hounded and it is demanded that they are punished multiple times. They should be punished for the actual crimes committed not the public perception of politicians whipped up by a media baying for blood to hide their own misdemeanours.

BlueberryHill Tue 05-Feb-13 09:14:17

Lostonthemoors, I think that there is always a need to think that, 'there but the grace of god', however... (You knew there would be a however). However this wasn't just one slip, it was a sucession of lies over a period of time right up to the courtroom door. Doing so, when he knew he was guilty and had a fair idea of the evidence against him, he has run up prosecution costs, most costs are incurred just prior to trial and at the trail. We pay for those costs.

I have conflicting thoughts about him receiving his salary over the past year, I believe in the principle that all are innocent until proven guilty vs there have been a lot of MPs convicted in the past year or so (usually on fraudulently claiming expenses). These MPs have not resigned until they were found guilty and have kept receiving their salary. I have real doubts about how effective they have been as an MP during that time. Would be interesting to see how many times Chris Huhne has spoken in Parliament or attended debates in the past year. The idea that you are innocent until proven guilty wins out but I have a low view of the MPs who have done this.

undercoverhousewife Tue 05-Feb-13 09:20:55

YANBU

The argument for losing his salary is that he only had the job under false pretences - few people would have voted for him had they known he was dishonest (not just in the first place, over the speeding, but later over the blatant lying and persistent, extreme attempts to have the case thrown out whilst knowing he was guilty). Lots of other people would happily have had his job and earned the salary.

Yes, honesty absolutely has a bearing on how he does his job. We need our politicians to be honest as a very minimum - they have a position of immense power, influence, privilege and trust. Huhne abused that horribly. I at least hope he doesn't get the usual "leaving" pay - ? a year's pay after being an MP (not sure of the precise details but there is def a sop payment when MP's leave to recognise that they may have a period of being out of a job).

As a cyclist, I am also unsympathetic with him doing 69mph in a 50mph zone and then, not 2 weeks later, driving whilst on his mobile phone (which ironically cost him his licence anyway). That smacks of someone who is so selfish and puffed up as to think that their need to get somewhere quickly/ talk on the phone, outweighs other people's right to life (ie cyclists and pedestrians right not to be mown down).

Lostonthemoors Tue 05-Feb-13 09:36:54

I think it was a reduced speed limit on a motorway, wasn't it? Not that that excuses it - it doesn't!

Yes, his behaviour in not pleading guilty was horrific but he is going to be punished for that - will be reflected in his sentence. If you plead guilty promptly you get a third off your sentence iirc. He won't get that.

He is just another stupid idiot. I do still feel sorry for him, his family and his partner - they have a lot more sadness to come.

He had nine points on his licence already, that a bit of a clue that you need to drive with more care. There's a bit of an arrogance, a sense of entitlement, in continuing to speed when you're in that position. Everything else cascaded from there, so yes, not just one mistake but a series of ever-increasing poor judgement.

My sympathy is for his family; and I'll include his wife as it would be in keeping for her to have been under intense pressure from him to bail him out over the speeding points. No sympathy for him whatsoever, he was willing to pervert the course of justice for the convenience of keeping his licence (he could have afforded taxis or even a driver).

Pendeen Tue 05-Feb-13 10:48:01

A liar and a coward.

He should also be forced to re-take his driving test.

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